Wednesday, September 30, 2009

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: (unknown)



Rod: You're quite right. I don't know what might be going on with AMD. I know their sales manager left recently and a couple of my emails to the company have gone unanswered. I'm not sure if they remain viable as far as new airplanes go, but there seem to be some bargains out there in the used marketplace.
 
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Boy their web site needs improvement... the pictures are mismatched to the icons and some are missing, the video's don't show the planes except flying stunts, the links for pricing on the Google search don't work and the US dealer link take you back to the mess you just tried to get out of.

Is there a link to some good pictures of the interior of these planes and a price list?

Rod

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> The Alarus is not an LSA so I'm familiar with it. Sorry.
>
> You know, if you are looking for part 23 certification, Tecnam sells a
> P92 that is Part 23 certified. You could use it for everything you'd
> use the Alaurus for plus do light sport training. Just a thought.
>
> Helen



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: (unknown) LSA choice

CubCrafters has offered to develop a Rotax version of their bird too if
they can guarantee buyers for the first two. I know the useful load of
this plane as is with the O200 wouldn't work at my school, but a Rotax
version seems to me to be a promising choice.

Helen

Couleeone@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> You should consider the sport cub built by cubcrafters in Yakima WA
> www.cubcrafters.com <http://www.cubcrafters.com> It is a quality built
> cub clone. I have been flyin one for almost 3 years (375 hours on the
> tach) having learned to fly in my sport cub (sport pilot) and
> I instruct CFIS) now in it. It is a great trainer and wonderful for
> recreational flying!
>
> Geo
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You should consider the sport cub built by cubcrafters in Yakima WA  www.cubcrafters.com It is a quality built cub clone. I have been flyin one for almost 3 years (375 hours on the tach) having learned to fly in my sport cub (sport pilot) and I instruct CFIS) now in it. It is a great trainer and wonderful for recreational flying!
 
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Hello
  just a little bit too much information. The only thing that you left out is "When is the working party going to be formed to make law mandating  a transponder on radio controlled model aircraft and anything bigger".
The question should have been phased as a technical specification of a minimum system for an aircraft that requires a transponder and the limits that would apply to an aircraft that is deemed NOT to so equipped
I hope you didnt ask the cops a similar sort of question like" Where I can go drink this 6 pack" when you were 16....
Peter


--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Dan <live2av8@usjet.net> wrote:

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Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 2:43 PM

 

You've seen the FAA's response, granted that's the local FSDO, yours may have a different response.  Here's the way I worded the question to the FAA.

If the link doesn't work just look in the Files section for a recent addition.


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You've seen the FAA's response, granted that's the local FSDO, yours may have a different response.  Here's the way I worded the question to the FAA.

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Boy their web site needs improvement... the pictures are mismatched to the icons and some are missing, the video's don't show the planes except flying stunts, the links for pricing on the Google search don't work and the US dealer link take you back to the mess you just tried to get out of.

Is there a link to some good pictures of the interior of these planes and a price list?

Rod


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> The Alarus is not an LSA so I'm familiar with it. Sorry.
>
> You know, if you are looking for part 23 certification, Tecnam sells a
> P92 that is Part 23 certified. You could use it for everything you'd
> use the Alaurus for plus do light sport training. Just a thought.
>
> Helen


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The Alarus is not an LSA so I'm familiar with it. Sorry.

You know, if you are looking for part 23 certification, Tecnam sells a
P92 that is Part 23 certified. You could use it for everything you'd
use the Alaurus for plus do light sport training. Just a thought.

Helen

Bill Hobson wrote:
>
>
> Helen:
> I'd like to say "Thank you" for taking the time to offer your insights
> into this issue. I started out shopping for a used LSA to offer as a
> leaseback to a couple of our local flight instructors, but have
> gravitated back towards a Part 23 plane (the AMD Alarus) due to its
> relatively low acquisition cost. Any thoughts on this plane for flight
> school use?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Helen Woods <mailto:Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group (unknown)
>
>
>
> There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
> quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I
> run a
> large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft.
> From a
> flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
> selecting a plane:
>
> 1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
> mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll
> want to
> learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
> published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
> exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
> load is.
>
> 2. Composites vs. metal - While attractive, composites are a super
> pain
> to get fixed. Doubly so when the A&P doing the work has to learn the
> LSA fix-it rules and work with a company rep who is in a time zone on
> the other side of the world. Also super expensive to fix with major
> down time. Been there, done that, not fun.
>
> 3. Handling varies widely between models. Some LSAs handle like a
> very
> light plane getting blown around in the wind. Some have some ugly
> stall
> characteristics. I can vouch for the Tecnam P92 as not having any of
> these issues and being a very gentle trainer. I have not been as
> impressed with any of the other LSA land planes. (I did really
> like the
> SeaRey.)
>
> 4. Factory support - The good news is that the FSDO is no longer in
> your life for the most part when dealing with an SLSA. The bad
> news is
> that the manufacturer of the plane controls every aspect of what
> you do
> mx wise on your SLSA right down to deciding what brand of tires
> you can
> use. It is IMPERATIVE that you work with a company with good US
> support. Tecnam has provided that for us, allowing us to make repairs
> and modifications with domestic parts and quickly shipping us any
> Tecnam
> specific parts we need. Another company we deal with won't even
> let us
> upgrade the brand of tires, makes us buy their parts at exorbitant
> prices ($12 for a rubber washer), and then takes their good sweet
> time
> sending them to us. Not a good recipe for a flight school.
>
> 5. ADs - SLSAs don't have ADs issued by the FAA but mandatory service
> bulletins issued by the factory. Tecnam is really good about getting
> these out to their customers in a timely fashion along with a factory
> approved fix. Another company we used to deal with simply stuck their
> head in the sand when problems arose. We had one instance when a
> friction lock fell apart (a number of owners were having the same
> problem) and not only did they not put out a SB or send us a fix but
> they recommended that we repair it with tape!
>
> 6. Safety record - A search of the NTSB database will give you a good
> idea of accident issues associated with different models of LSAs and
> their survivability. In general you'll find a lot of LSA landing
> accidents typically from older pilots who have transitioned over
> to LSAs
> and underestimated the skill level required to fly them,
> especially in
> crosswinds. (Not hard but you can't have flat feet.) Tecnam does not
> have any US fatalities since all Tecnams are built with a steel roll
> cage. Unfortunately that can't be said about other models.
>
> Hope this heps.
> Helen
>
> chuck72360 wrote:
> > We've been in the more traditional aircraft business and not
> very familiar with the LSA rules and trends.
> >
> > Thinking about buying a training LSA plane. What are the group's
> thoughts regarding a quality, reasonably priced, proven vehicle to
> expand our LSA presence.
> >
> > I am in a fairly remote area in northern Michigan with many
> former pilots. I think with the proper education I can
> train/retrain pilots and possibly sell them their training
> airplane and repeat the process.
> >
> > I am interested in the groups thoughts and experiences.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Helen:
I'd like to say "Thank you" for taking the time to offer your insights into this issue. I started out shopping for a used LSA to offer as a leaseback to a couple of our local flight instructors, but have gravitated back towards a Part 23 plane (the AMD Alarus) due to its relatively low acquisition cost. Any thoughts on this plane for flight school use?
 
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There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
selecting a plane:

1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
load is.

2. Composites vs. metal - While attractive, composites are a super pain
to get fixed. Doubly so when the A&P doing the work has to learn the
LSA fix-it rules and work with a company rep who is in a time zone on
the other side of the world. Also super expensive to fix with major
down time. Been there, done that, not fun.

3. Handling varies widely between models. Some LSAs handle like a very
light plane getting blown around in the wind. Some have some ugly stall
characteristics. I can vouch for the Tecnam P92 as not having any of
these issues and being a very gentle trainer. I have not been as
impressed with any of the other LSA land planes. (I did really like the
SeaRey.)

4. Factory support - The good news is that the FSDO is no longer in
your life for the most part when dealing with an SLSA. The bad news is
that the manufacturer of the plane controls every aspect of what you do
mx wise on your SLSA right down to deciding what brand of tires you can
use. It is IMPERATIVE that you work with a company with good US
support. Tecnam has provided that for us, allowing us to make repairs
and modifications with domestic parts and quickly shipping us any Tecnam
specific parts we need. Another company we deal with won't even let us
upgrade the brand of tires, makes us buy their parts at exorbitant
prices ($12 for a rubber washer), and then takes their good sweet time
sending them to us. Not a good recipe for a flight school.

5. ADs - SLSAs don't have ADs issued by the FAA but mandatory service
bulletins issued by the factory. Tecnam is really good about getting
these out to their customers in a timely fashion along with a factory
approved fix. Another company we used to deal with simply stuck their
head in the sand when problems arose. We had one instance when a
friction lock fell apart (a number of owners were having the same
problem) and not only did they not put out a SB or send us a fix but
they recommended that we repair it with tape!

6. Safety record - A search of the NTSB database will give you a good
idea of accident issues associated with different models of LSAs and
their survivability. In general you'll find a lot of LSA landing
accidents typically from older pilots who have transitioned over to LSAs
and underestimated the skill level required to fly them, especially in
crosswinds. (Not hard but you can't have flat feet.) Tecnam does not
have any US fatalities since all Tecnams are built with a steel roll
cage. Unfortunately that can't be said about other models.

Hope this heps.
Helen

chuck72360 wrote:
> We've been in the more traditional aircraft business and not very familiar with the LSA rules and trends.
>
> Thinking about buying a training LSA plane. What are the group's thoughts regarding a quality, reasonably priced, proven vehicle to expand our LSA presence.
>
> I am in a fairly remote area in northern Michigan with many former pilots. I think with the proper education I can train/retrain pilots and possibly sell them their training airplane and repeat the process.
>
> I am interested in the groups thoughts and experiences.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Take a look:   http:/www.sportplanes.com
                    Extensive experience in aircraft building, aircraft and engine (Rotax-Jabiru) repair/servicing, flight training.



-----Original Message-----
From: jimmyg51147
Sent: Sep 29, 2009 11:41 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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Helen:
I liked your sumation of the LSA information and would add only that in line item one there is the Jabiru as well.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
> quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
> large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
> flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
> selecting a plane:
>
> 1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
> mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
> learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
> published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
> exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
> load is.



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

>>>I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
>>>but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
>>>I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
>>>Abid

>> oh... it was verbal?
>> Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
>> they're written on.
>> (and paper interpretations are not much better)
>> Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
>> a reasonable interpretation of it.
>>
>> These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
>> change just because people started to fly with Rotax
>> engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
>>
>> With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
>> no good can come of that, and as you say,
>> *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
>> electrical systems,
>> and it's of negligible interest to you,
>> so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
>> Cheers,
>> Mike

> Posted by: "apollonorthamerica" apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com
> Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing
> in someone elses pool . great.
> Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools.
> Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest
> it gets considered peeing as well :).
> Abid

I'm not sure what you're on about Abid?....
maybe trying to spread the blame to others?....
But my message was to -you- specifically!
No need for -you- to be phoning Oklahoma,
and getting confusing verbal answers,
on matters you have negligible interest in.

Cheers,
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Jabirus are good engines from what I hear but they are still heavier
than the Rotax 912ULS and don't have the extensive service network and
training system set up in the US that Rotax does. IMHO both are major
considerations if the engine is to be put in use at a flight school.

Helen

jimmyg51147 wrote:
> Helen:
> I liked your sumation of the LSA information and would add only that in line item one there is the Jabiru as well.
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
>> There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
>> quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
>> large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
>> flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
>> selecting a plane:
>>
>> 1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
>> mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
>> learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
>> published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
>> exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
>> load is.
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Posted by: "Rick Pitcher" lightflyer@adelphia.net
>
> I think the discrepancy may be in how you are asking the question,
> or maybe how the question is being heard.
> If they think you're asking about whether the lighting coil
> can be considered an engine-driven generator, then they are
> prepared to tell you exactly what the FSDO's letter you posted
> said: yes, it's an engine driven electrical system and the
> transponder is required. If you asked specifically about an airplane
> without any wiring you'd would have been given the answer in your
> letter: that all the other parts are required before it can be
> considered a "system".
>
> Glad to hear this, one more bit of mis-information put to rest.
> Thanks,
> Rick


Thanks Rick!

Good job!

Cheers,
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Helen:
I liked your sumation of the LSA information and would add only that in line item one there is the Jabiru as well.


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
> quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
> large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
> flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
> selecting a plane:
>
> 1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
> mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
> learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
> published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
> exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
> load is.


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Helen,
 
Thanks for the quick response. How long have you been dealing in LSAs? Do you live in a large market? What was/is your customer response to this type aircraft? Is it financially feasible? Thanks.
 
Chuck
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group (unknown)

 

There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
selecting a plane:

1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
load is.

2. Composites vs. metal - While attractive, composites are a super pain
to get fixed. Doubly so when the A&P doing the work has to learn the
LSA fix-it rules and work with a company rep who is in a time zone on
the other side of the world. Also super expensive to fix with major
down time. Been there, done that, not fun.

3. Handling varies widely between models. Some LSAs handle like a very
light plane getting blown around in the wind. Some have some ugly stall
characteristics. I can vouch for the Tecnam P92 as not having any of
these issues and being a very gentle trainer. I have not been as
impressed with any of the other LSA land planes. (I did really like the
SeaRey.)

4. Factory support - The good news is that the FSDO is no longer in
your life for the most part when dealing with an SLSA. The bad news is
that the manufacturer of the plane controls every aspect of what you do
mx wise on your SLSA right down to deciding what brand of tires you can
use. It is IMPERATIVE that you work with a company with good US
support. Tecnam has provided that for us, allowing us to make repairs
and modifications with domestic parts and quickly shipping us any Tecnam
specific parts we need. Another company we deal with won't even let us
upgrade the brand of tires, makes us buy their parts at exorbitant
prices ($12 for a rubber washer), and then takes their good sweet time
sending them to us. Not a good recipe for a flight school.

5. ADs - SLSAs don't have ADs issued by the FAA but mandatory service
bulletins issued by the factory. Tecnam is really good about getting
these out to their customers in a timely fashion along with a factory
approved fix. Another company we used to deal with simply stuck their
head in the sand when problems arose. We had one instance when a
friction lock fell apart (a number of owners were having the same
problem) and not only did they not put out a SB or send us a fix but
they recommended that we repair it with tape!

6. Safety record - A search of the NTSB database will give you a good
idea of accident issues associated with different models of LSAs and
their survivability. In general you'll find a lot of LSA landing
accidents typically from older pilots who have transitioned over to LSAs
and underestimated the skill level required to fly them, especially in
crosswinds. (Not hard but you can't have flat feet.) Tecnam does not
have any US fatalities since all Tecnams are built with a steel roll
cage. Unfortunately that can't be said about other models.

Hope this heps.
Helen

chuck72360 wrote:
> We've been in the more traditional aircraft business and not very familiar with the LSA rules and trends.
>
> Thinking about buying a training LSA plane. What are the group's thoughts regarding a quality, reasonably priced, proven vehicle to expand our LSA presence.
>
> I am in a fairly remote area in northern Michigan with many former pilots. I think with the proper education I can train/retrain pilots and possibly sell them their training airplane and repeat the process.
>
> I am interested in the groups thoughts and experiences.
>
> Chuck
>
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There are now 100 different models of LSAs out on the market and the
quality of plane and customer service varies widely with them. I run a
large LSA flight school and we are a dealer for Tecnam aircraft. From a
flight school stand point, here are a few points to look into when
selecting a plane:

1. Useful load - only a few models have enough useful load for two
mature men and fuel. All of those have a Rotax engine so you'll want to
learn about these and send your A&P to Rotax school. Never trust the
published numbers when shopping. Many LSA manufacturers seriously
exaggerate their numbers. Always ask an owner what the actual useful
load is.

2. Composites vs. metal - While attractive, composites are a super pain
to get fixed. Doubly so when the A&P doing the work has to learn the
LSA fix-it rules and work with a company rep who is in a time zone on
the other side of the world. Also super expensive to fix with major
down time. Been there, done that, not fun.

3. Handling varies widely between models. Some LSAs handle like a very
light plane getting blown around in the wind. Some have some ugly stall
characteristics. I can vouch for the Tecnam P92 as not having any of
these issues and being a very gentle trainer. I have not been as
impressed with any of the other LSA land planes. (I did really like the
SeaRey.)

4. Factory support - The good news is that the FSDO is no longer in
your life for the most part when dealing with an SLSA. The bad news is
that the manufacturer of the plane controls every aspect of what you do
mx wise on your SLSA right down to deciding what brand of tires you can
use. It is IMPERATIVE that you work with a company with good US
support. Tecnam has provided that for us, allowing us to make repairs
and modifications with domestic parts and quickly shipping us any Tecnam
specific parts we need. Another company we deal with won't even let us
upgrade the brand of tires, makes us buy their parts at exorbitant
prices ($12 for a rubber washer), and then takes their good sweet time
sending them to us. Not a good recipe for a flight school.

5. ADs - SLSAs don't have ADs issued by the FAA but mandatory service
bulletins issued by the factory. Tecnam is really good about getting
these out to their customers in a timely fashion along with a factory
approved fix. Another company we used to deal with simply stuck their
head in the sand when problems arose. We had one instance when a
friction lock fell apart (a number of owners were having the same
problem) and not only did they not put out a SB or send us a fix but
they recommended that we repair it with tape!

6. Safety record - A search of the NTSB database will give you a good
idea of accident issues associated with different models of LSAs and
their survivability. In general you'll find a lot of LSA landing
accidents typically from older pilots who have transitioned over to LSAs
and underestimated the skill level required to fly them, especially in
crosswinds. (Not hard but you can't have flat feet.) Tecnam does not
have any US fatalities since all Tecnams are built with a steel roll
cage. Unfortunately that can't be said about other models.

Hope this heps.
Helen

chuck72360 wrote:
> We've been in the more traditional aircraft business and not very familiar with the LSA rules and trends.
>
> Thinking about buying a training LSA plane. What are the group's thoughts regarding a quality, reasonably priced, proven vehicle to expand our LSA presence.
>
> I am in a fairly remote area in northern Michigan with many former pilots. I think with the proper education I can train/retrain pilots and possibly sell them their training airplane and repeat the process.
>
> I am interested in the groups thoughts and experiences.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
>
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We've been in the more traditional aircraft business and not very familiar with the LSA rules and trends.

Thinking about buying a training LSA plane. What are the group's thoughts regarding a quality, reasonably priced, proven vehicle to expand our LSA presence.

I am in a fairly remote area in northern Michigan with many former pilots. I think with the proper education I can train/retrain pilots and possibly sell them their training airplane and repeat the process.

I am interested in the groups thoughts and experiences.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New Sirius high wing from Czech Republic





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From: Gary Orpe <garyo@bak.rr.com>
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New Sirius high wing from Czech Republic
To: "Sport Aircraft Group" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 1:53 AM

 

New aircraft from CZ. appeared in Avweb article today.

"TL-Ultralight, s.r.o., in the Czech Republic manufactures the Sting S3
low-wing LSA and now its stablemate, the TL-3000 Sirius high-wing, has
also earned light sport aircraft certification. "

They also claim a good price tag and that the aircraft is IFR certifiable.

They do not mention if the Rotax engine used is certified or not. Still
not sure how that is done... Anyone?

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New Sirius high wing from Czech Republic



If they are honest (which I assume they are), the answers are here:
Ted

From: Gary Orpe <garyo@bak.rr.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:53:09 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New Sirius high wing from Czech Republic

 

New aircraft from CZ. appeared in Avweb article today.

"TL-Ultralight, s.r.o., in the Czech Republic manufactures the Sting S3
low-wing LSA and now its stablemate, the TL-3000 Sirius high-wing, has
also earned light sport aircraft certification. "

They also claim a good price tag and that the aircraft is IFR certifiable.

They do not mention if the Rotax engine used is certified or not. Still
not sure how that is done... Anyone?

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft



I think the discrepancy may be in how you are asking the question, or maybe how the question is being heard.
If they think you're asking about whether the lighting coil can be considered an engine-driven generator, then they are prepared to tell you exactly what the FSDO's letter you posted said: yes, it's an engine driven electrical system and the transponder is required.
If you asked specifically about an airplane without any wiring you'd would have been given the answer in your letter: that all the other parts are required before it can be considered a "system".
 
Glad to hear this, one more bit of mis-information put to rest.
Thanks,
Rick
 
 

 

Hi Rick,
Yes and the people I have been asking at AFS610 have been telling me otherwise (meaning pull start and my hanger mate needs to have transponder thing) and some may still tell me that I am sure if I call them but with this paper printed out, I don't think they can hold water against you don't have to have a transponder. Definitely a good thing :)
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
> So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
> I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apollonorthamerica
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
>
>
> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
> <http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New Sirius high wing from Czech Republic

New aircraft from CZ. appeared in Avweb article today.

"TL-Ultralight, s.r.o., in the Czech Republic manufactures the Sting S3
low-wing LSA and now its stablemate, the TL-3000 Sirius high-wing, has
also earned light sport aircraft certification."

They also claim a good price tag and that the aircraft is IFR certifiable.

They do not mention if the Rotax engine used is certified or not. Still
not sure how that is done... Anyone?

Gary Orpe

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Hi Rick,
Yes and the people I have been asking at AFS610 have been telling me otherwise (meaning pull start and my hanger mate needs to have transponder thing) and some may still tell me that I am sure if I call them but with this paper printed out, I don't think they can hold water against you don't have to have a transponder. Definitely a good thing :)
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
> So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
> I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apollonorthamerica
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
>
>
> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
> <http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Carbmate 912 914 carb sync tool

after watching the video on the new Rotax carb sync tool for the 912 914 here on the Rotax Owner website:

http://www.rotax-owner.com/reviews/reviews.htm

I did soem searching on the internet and found Leading Edge Air Foils
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft



Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
 
Rick
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

 

Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
<http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>

Best,
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > >Abid
> >
> > oh... it was verbal?
> > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > they're written on.
> > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> >
> > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> >
> > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > electrical systems,
> > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
>


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

That letter sounds a LOT like what I said a while back - a ligntning coil does not
an "electrical system" make.

Bill Watson
bill@part103.org


---------- Original Message -----------
From: "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:54:19 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from
> a local FSDO and hey it would count. <http://www.fly-
ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...>
wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool .
great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop
with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
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That is excellent news and the last I knew, Van Stumpner did work in OKC so this consensus was reached in conference with OKC.  That is an excellent precedent and anyone who this applies to should print it out and keep a copy.  An official looking piece of paper always carries weight. :) 
 
Jim
 
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Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

 

Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
<http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>

Best,
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > >Abid
> >
> > oh... it was verbal?
> > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > they're written on.
> > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> >
> > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> >
> > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > electrical systems,
> > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
>



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