Seen the videos? Almost a helicopter.
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Yes, that was my prior understanding. I just wanted to show an example of this.
>and the only limits on performance are top
> speed with continuous power
Right. I wanted to point out that the top speed with continuous power is only limited (per Faa satisfaction) by the honor system.
>and stall speed.
Yes, some people overlook this.
> Piper Cubs and their derivatives are noted to be slow and quite draggy.
Yes. That's why I wanted to point out here how the use of carbon fiber has redefined these planes. Very interesting.
>So the
> only question would be in my mind the gross weight an I really see know reason
> that combo would not fit...
They've achieved the LSA category, and there isn't another STOL SLSA anywhere like this. Rather compelling, IMHO.
Thanks,
Mark
> John
>
>
> On Monday 27 September 2010 08:57:33 pm markiv200@... wrote:
> > Hi Folks,
> > Forgive me if you've already covered this one. I just think it's
> > interesting that the FAA believes in the honor system, but I'm glad.
> >
> > "The 180-horsepower light sport aircraft (LSA) leapt off the ground in
> > about four airplane lengths carrying two people and more than 20 gallons
> > of fuel skyward at 1,700 feet per minute and 60 MIAS. Built by CubCrafters
> > in Yakima, Wash., the carbon-fiber rocket ship proves that LSAs don't have
> > to be boring."
> >
> > http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100125supercub.html
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhUkjjpSOs
> >
> > One major drawback...too pricey.
> >
> > --
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> >
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Helen,I tried to find your facebook page but wasn't successful using Chesapeake Sport Pilot as the search parameter.Wanted to look at your pictures.Can you look for Dallas Hewett in Wichita and add me as a friend?Thanks.Dallas
From: Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
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Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 2:38:43 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weekend Adventure!
If you get a chance, check out all of the pics on the Chesapeake Sport
Pilot FaceBook page from this weekend. We flew pretty much the entire
fleet into Dulles Airport this weekend for the Plane Pull to support the
Special Olympics. Did lots of Class B signoffs and flight reviews along
the way. Totally fun!
Helen
If you get a chance, check out all of the pics on the Chesapeake Sport
Pilot FaceBook page from this weekend. We flew pretty much the entire
fleet into Dulles Airport this weekend for the Plane Pull to support the
Special Olympics. Did lots of Class B signoffs and flight reviews along
the way. Totally fun!
Helen
If you get a chance, check out all of the pics on the Chesapeake Sport
Pilot FaceBook page from this weekend. We flew pretty much the entire
fleet into Dulles Airport this weekend for the Plane Pull to support the
Special Olympics. Did lots of Class B signoffs and flight reviews along
the way. Totally fun!
Helen
Yep, problems like run out of fuel! ;-)
John
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When SLSA, the max continuous power is spec'd about 55%. I guess anything
more than that and you'd need a higher rating to be safe =)
The MTOW difference is based on the extra paper they needed to meet SLSA =)
The plane is not built differently.
The climb rate stated below is not safe for continuous power. Causes
problems is power is left that high for over 4 hours. ;)
Bill Watson
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Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA, will climb 2100 fpm, has 180
hp.
Hi Folks,
Forgive me if you've already covered this one. I just think it's
interesting that the FAA believes in the honor system, but I'm glad.
"The 180-horsepower light sport aircraft (LSA) leapt off the ground in about
four airplane lengths carrying two people and more than 20 gallons of fuel
skyward at 1,700 feet per minute and 60 MIAS. Built by CubCrafters in
Yakima, Wash., the carbon-fiber rocket ship proves that LSAs don't have to
be boring."
http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100125supercub.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhUkjjpSOs
One major drawback...too pricey.
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On Monday 27 September 2010 08:57:33 pm markiv200@att.net wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Forgive me if you've already covered this one. I just think it's
> interesting that the FAA believes in the honor system, but I'm glad.
>
> "The 180-horsepower light sport aircraft (LSA) leapt off the ground in
> about four airplane lengths carrying two people and more than 20 gallons
> of fuel skyward at 1,700 feet per minute and 60 MIAS. Built by CubCrafters
> in Yakima, Wash., the carbon-fiber rocket ship proves that LSAs don't have
> to be boring."
>
> http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100125supercub.html
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhUkjjpSOs
>
> One major drawback...too pricey.
>
> --
> Mark
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--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
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> If you get a chance, check out all of the pics on the Chesapeake Sport
> Pilot FaceBook page from this weekend. We flew pretty much the entire
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"The 180-horsepower light sport aircraft (LSA) leapt off the ground in about four airplane lengths carrying two people and more than 20 gallons of fuel skyward at 1,700 feet per minute and 60 MIAS. Built by CubCrafters in Yakima, Wash., the carbon-fiber rocket ship proves that LSAs don't have to be boring."
http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100125supercub.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhUkjjpSOs
One major drawback...too pricey.
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1) RWL-2T : 50 Km closed circuit speed
Pilot: Abid Farooqui (USA)
Co-pilot: Matt Liknaitzky (South Africa)
Machine: Revo 912ULS by Evolution Trikes
Current record held by: Richard Meredith Hardy from the UK
Attempt: On Sept 25th, 2010 around 11 am at KZPH
2) RWL-2T : 100 Km closed circuit speed
Pilot: Matt Liknaitzky (South Africa)
Co-pilot: Abid Farooqui (USA)
Machine: Revo 912ULS by Evolution Trikes
Current record held by Hungarian team
Attempt: On Sept 25th, 2010 around 3 pm at KZPH
3) RWL-2T : 15/25 km straight line course speed
Pilot: Larry Mednick (USA)
Co-pilot: Abid Farooqui (USA)
Machine: Revo 912ULS by Evolution Trikes
Current record made in March 2010 by French pilots in French DTA Combo FC 912ULS
Attempt: On Sept 26th, 2010 around 7:15 am at KZPH
An FAI observer was present and the sealed data recorder data has been submitted to US National Aeronautical Association for confirmation and ratification by FAI in Switzerland.
Sincerely,
Abid Farooqui
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Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:06 PM
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> Nope,
>
> Midwest? Not from here it isn't. West coast is west bank of the
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> Gary Orpe
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> ->Is anyone on this group planning to go to the Midwest LSA
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> ->http://midwestlsashow.com/
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| Hello If for some reason the FAA did pick them up as being modified outside operation limits what happens? Registration canceled or? Peter --- On Sat, 9/18/10, Rick Girard <lsaguy104@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Midwest? Not from here it isn't. West coast is west bank of the Mississippi
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There are no reguations or ASTM standards prohibiting aerobatics in an SLSA. The manufacturer sets the operating limitations for the aircraft and they can say aerobatics are allowed. +4 and -2 Gs is the minimum required per the standards, nothing says they can't build it stronger. Some already build to twice that figure. Besides, I can spin, loop, aileron roll, barrell roll, Cuban eight and cloverleaf all day long and never exceed +3 and -1 G.
In fact, there is nothing that I can find prohibiting a sport pilot or anyone acting as a sport pilot from performing aerobatics.
You're right Helen, FK Light Planes will introduce an SLSA version of its FK 12 Comet biplane this autum. It will come equipped standard with a Rotax 912ULS prohibiting it from inverted flight. But when equipped with one of the two available optional engines, the "No Aerobatic Maneuvers" limitation will be removed. It's going to be a blast!!
Mitch
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "wj18001900" <swferris@...> wrote:
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> From EAA - Oshkosh 365 Forum
> _ _ _ _ _
>
> Joanne Palmer wrote:
>
>
> I think the rules for LSA preclude aerobatics.
> _ _ _ _ _
>
> Looks that way. I scanned through the ASTM standard, and only a single value for load limits is given. Didn't see any sections on aerobatics.
>
> If the operating limitations for the SLSA includes a prohibition on aerobatics, the FAA may well include it in the limitations if you decide to put the plane in Experimental LSA category.
>
> Ron Wanttaja
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On Saturday 18 September 2010 11:06:55 pm Bill wrote:
> Just sitting here at the Reno Air Races and they have 4 SLSA's on display.
> They have Cessna's s/n 8, Sonnex, and 2 I'd not heard of before. One is a
> CarbonCub they have outfitted with lots of stuff and balloon tires. They
> wanted 140k for that one. They have this one ready for SLSA, Kit-ELSA, and
> ExAB. The same plane when built as ExAB *can* be placarded at about
> 1900GW, or at 1320 =)
> The other plane I saw was a fresh outta the crate Piper SLSA that was
> brought in from the Czech Republic. The Piper is running the Rotax 912.
>
> I also saw the predator with a Rotax 914 and it had a turbo added. They
> claim 107hp and I figure the turbo is so they can have most of that at
> 30k'.
>
> The racing has been great, several MayDay's, but every plane landed and all
> can be rebuilt to fly again. No injuries!
>
> There have been several new things, the Marines brought in the Osprey from
> the east coast. They still seem quite hesitant flying that, it took
> forever for the pilot to land it.
>
> Today after the Snowbirds performed, they treated us to running the race
> course for a lap. They even did a little passing and horsing around. The
> crowd was going nuts, but the announcer said the biggest smiles were on
> the faces of the Snowbird pilots. They had been looking forward to that
> for quite a while. It is rare for the military to do laps, but it happens
> from time to time. The 9 Snowbirds were the largest group to do it as far
> as I can remember. Most of the time it is one or two jets showing off
> their afterburners, not the pro demo teams.
>
> Strega is the plane to beat, Voodoo overheated today, Rare Bear has been
> foaming the oil, and Miss America is ready to win when those 3 blow up
> tomorrow!
>
> Bill Watson
> bill@sportpilot.info
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I also saw the predator with a Rotax 914 and it had a turbo added. They claim 107hp
and I figure the turbo is so they can have most of that at 30k'.
The racing has been great, several MayDay's, but every plane landed and all can be
rebuilt to fly again. No injuries!
There have been several new things, the Marines brought in the Osprey from the east
coast. They still seem quite hesitant flying that, it took forever for the pilot to
land it.
Today after the Snowbirds performed, they treated us to running the race course for a
lap. They even did a little passing and horsing around. The crowd was going nuts, but
the announcer said the biggest smiles were on the faces of the Snowbird pilots. They
had been looking forward to that for quite a while. It is rare for the military to do
laps, but it happens from time to time. The 9 Snowbirds were the largest group to do
it as far as I can remember. Most of the time it is one or two jets showing off their
afterburners, not the pro demo teams.
Strega is the plane to beat, Voodoo overheated today, Rare Bear has been foaming the
oil, and Miss America is ready to win when those 3 blow up tomorrow!
Bill Watson
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From: "mdhansen3000" <maddog52@aol.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 02:46:07 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Designers: Where are the LSA Aerobatic
Planes?
> There are no reguations or ASTM standards prohibiting aerobatics in an SLSA.
> The manufacturer sets the operating limitations for the aircraft and they can
> say aerobatics are allowed. +4 and -2 Gs is the minimum required per the
> standards, nothing says they can't build it stronger. Some already build to
> twice that figure. Besides, I can spin, loop, aileron roll, barrell roll,
> Cuban eight and cloverleaf all day long and never exceed +3 and -1 G.
>
> In fact, there is nothing that I can find prohibiting a sport pilot or anyone
> acting as a sport pilot from performing aerobatics.
>
> You're right Helen, FK Light Planes will introduce an SLSA version of its FK
> 12 Comet biplane this autum. It will come equipped standard with a Rotax
> 912ULS prohibiting it from inverted flight. But when equipped with one of the
> two available optional engines, the "No Aerobatic Maneuvers" limitation will
> be removed. It's going to be a blast!!
>
> Mitch
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "wj18001900" <swferris@...> wrote:
> >
> > From EAA - Oshkosh 365 Forum
> > _ _ _ _ _
> >
> > Joanne Palmer wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think the rules for LSA preclude aerobatics.
> > _ _ _ _ _
> >
> > Looks that way. I scanned through the ASTM standard, and only a single value for
load limits is given. Didn't see any sections on aerobatics.
> >
> > If the operating limitations for the SLSA includes a prohibition on aerobatics,
the FAA may well include it in the limitations if you decide to put the plane in
Experimental LSA category.
> >
> > Ron Wanttaja
> >
>
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In fact, there is nothing that I can find prohibiting a sport pilot or anyone acting as a sport pilot from performing aerobatics.
You're right Helen, FK Light Planes will introduce an SLSA version of its FK 12 Comet biplane this autum. It will come equipped standard with a Rotax 912ULS prohibiting it from inverted flight. But when equipped with one of the two available optional engines, the "No Aerobatic Maneuvers" limitation will be removed. It's going to be a blast!!
Mitch
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> From EAA - Oshkosh 365 Forum
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> Joanne Palmer wrote:
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> I think the rules for LSA preclude aerobatics.
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> Looks that way. I scanned through the ASTM standard, and only a single value for load limits is given. Didn't see any sections on aerobatics.
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> If the operating limitations for the SLSA includes a prohibition on aerobatics, the FAA may well include it in the limitations if you decide to put the plane in Experimental LSA category.
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> Ron Wanttaja
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On 9/18/2010 4:02 PM, wj18001900 wrote:
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> Joanne Palmer wrote:
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> I think the rules for LSA preclude aerobatics.
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> Looks that way. I scanned through the ASTM standard, and only a single value for load limits is given. Didn't see any sections on aerobatics.
>
> If the operating limitations for the SLSA includes a prohibition on aerobatics, the FAA may well include it in the limitations if you decide to put the plane in Experimental LSA category.
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> Ron Wanttaja
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Joanne Palmer wrote:
I think the rules for LSA preclude aerobatics.
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Looks that way. I scanned through the ASTM standard, and only a single value for load limits is given. Didn't see any sections on aerobatics.
If the operating limitations for the SLSA includes a prohibition on aerobatics, the FAA may well include it in the limitations if you decide to put the plane in Experimental LSA category.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "daleandee" <daleandee@yahoo.com>
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 19:08:04
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Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Older planes qualifying for light sport?
I thought we was talking about light sport aircraft ...
Dale
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> Yes...and like I still say ... that is slow in my opinion.......IMO.
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> Yes...and like I still say ... that is slow in my opinion.......IMO.
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3. Maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power (Vh) of
not more than 120 kts (138 mph) CAS under standard atmospheric
conditions at sea level.
Sonex, Waiex, and Xenos all meet this requirement with their standard
propellers for all factory-approved engine installations.
The most common question on these speeds involves the use of the 3300
Jabiru. According to the Jabiru Factory, the maximum continuous power
rating of the 3300L Jabiru is at 2850 rpm. At this rpm and under the
specified conditions, the Sonex and Waiex cruise at 135 mph and the
Xenos cruises at 100 mph.
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Web site here:
http://www.sonexaircraft.com/sportpilot/qualify.html
No apologies needed!
8~)
Dale
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--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Cy Galley" <cgalley@...> wrote:
> Don't think it is really legal. 146 knots showing on the GPS! 170 GS
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Actually with 146 IAS his TAS would have been higher probably 10+ or so
depending on conditions and altitude. So the tailwind would have been
considerably less.
John
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On Saturday 18 September 2010 12:40:56 pm Ted Gelletly wrote:
> I did not see anywhere in the article that the pilot was a SP or that
> he built or equipped his plane as an LSA. I think there are several
> versions of the Jab 3300 (if that is what it he used), one of which lives
> within the LSA specs. So, the writer could be a PP and built the plane for
> max performance since the LSA rules need not apply to someone flying as a
> PP (if that is the case). A clue: "I wanted to keep going up as well, but
> am limited to 10,000 feet without a transponder." from page 4 of the pdf.
> Ted
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