All About Light Sport Aircraft: May 2012

Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

85K I can buy a lot more than a 32 year old 172. Like an RV8 or a 2000 Citabria.

Yes, new prices are insane... But not many can afford an 80k dollar toy.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> Sure you can buy a 1979 C172 for that or less also.
> You know why because its 32 years old.
> We got to keep context. You can't try and compare that C172 to new aircraft. We need to compare apples to apples. Today the manufacturers have to deal with today's costs, labor, liability.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ron_d_hill" <Ron@> wrote:
> >
> > 85k..... There are many other options for aircraft that cost less or deliver more in the used market.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ThomasW" <tpwarga@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From AVWeb:
> > > http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PipistrelAlphaLSATrainerReadyToFlyFor85K_206688-1.html
> > >
> > >
> > > In my opinion, this is the approach that LSA manufacturers should be taking.
> > >
> > > This aircraft is configured with conventional instrumentation complemented by a GPS.
> > >
> > > This is the way I want to fly – I don't need the sophisticated (read: expensive) glass cockpits that really jack up the price of an airplane.
> > >
> > > Less expensive and rugged designs like this can only help bring in more students and pilots.
> > >
> >
>

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Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Rotax releases mandatory Alert Service Bulletin

I was asked to pass this on

Rotax releases mandatory Alert Service Bulletin requiring immediate action on affected 912 series engines.

http://www.rotax-owner.com/pdf/ASB-912-061.pdf?utm_source=Alert+Service+Bulletin+and+VIDEO+release&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Alert+Service+Bulletin+and+VIDEO+release

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Sunday, May 27, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Wingtip winglets for improved performance? Any info?

on the quick silver we call them air dams we just screw a piece of lexan to the wing tip after heating it up and putting a crease in the upper side for strength. total cost under $5 or you can buy them from air tech for allot moor. 
 
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Saturday, May 26, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Wingtip winglets for improved performance? Any info?

"Wingtip devices increase the lift generated at the wingtip (by smoothing the airflow across the upper wing near the tip) and reduce the lift-induced drag caused by wingtip vortices, improving lift-to-drag ratio. This increases fuel efficiency in powered aircraft and increases cross-country speed in gliders, in both cases increasing range.[1] U.S. Air Force studies indicate that a given improvement in fuel efficiency correlates directly with the causal increase in the aircraft's lift-to-drag ratio.[2]"

These are the vertical upward fins sometimes seen on the ends of wings commercial aircraft.
I've seen downward tips put on Piper Tripacers, which would seem to accomplish the same thing (inhibit the generation of wingtip vortices thus reducing drag.)

They are a somewhat unique modes in this respect:
Many modifications seem to have tradeoffs (bush tires: Better rough field landings, but some increased drag. Shorter wings, more speed but less climb rate, Etc.)
These (ignoring initial cost and possible complexity of installation) seem to give more speed and better fuel consumption without any real downside.

Anyone know of these one LSAs?

Know of any thought that's ever been given to this possibility?

Curious,
Alex

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Friday, May 25, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group bob Ellefson??

please, anybody know how to get in touch with bob Ellifson from the old t bird co?
  i would really like to talk with him.    mal
 
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer fuel flow

In a message dated 5/25/2012 9:47:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, m230683@hotmail.com writes:

Sure we can Michael,
but only after complimenting you on 108 knots at 3.6 US-Gals/hour.
Excellent!

Mike

I am a dealer for Pipistrel and have flown every model but the electric launch Taurus and the new Alpha trainer. Every model I have flown has hit the performance numbers that Pipistrel claims for it. They do what the factory says they will do. I am proud to be a dealer, they are fantastic aircraft.

Robert Mudd

Moriarty, NM

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer fuel flow

> Posted by: "Michael Coates" mcoates@mcp.com.au
>
> guys, I'm really starting to become worried about the ongoing
> communication and the fact that nobody ever bothers to look at the
> information presented.
>
> Please allow me to spell it out for you directly from the manual and
> give you an explanation on fuel consumption.
>
> fuel flow at cruise speed 108 knots 3.6 US gph (13.6 l/h)
> fuel flow in circuits 2.5g US gph (9.5 l/h)
>
> These details are clearly listed on the website and in the information
> pack and in the flight manual and a real figures. The fuel flow in
> circuits based on my experience is closer to 8.5 litres per hour
> instead of 9.5 litres per hour. It must be remembered that the
> Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer is extremely clean, it has no wing struts, no
> rivets nothing else in the air stream which can slow the aircraft down
> by creating drag. This design is based on a glider and pretty much the
> whole circuit from mid downwind is performed with the engine at idle so
> even though you are using full power for take off and climb to 1000
> feet AGL the moment you are on mid downwind the rest of the circuit is
> with the engine at idle, with the engine at idle and at neutral flap
> the aircraft has a glide ratio of around 20 to 1 so it is easy to see
> that the aircraft can achieve and does achieve the quoted fuel flow
> figures.
>
> Can we now please put this issue to bed.... many thanks Michael

Sure we can Michael,
but only after complimenting you on 108 knots at 3.6 US-Gals/hour.
Excellent!

Mike

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Thursday, May 24, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fuel Burn

Yes "low - er" drag but not by too much at those low speeds. Depends on at what speed does the aircraft switch over the drag profile from induced to parasitic. There your induced drag rules and larger aspect ratio, proper winglets, wing fences or anything that reduces tip vortices or boundary layer separation would be just as useful if not more.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, James Ferris <mijniljj@...> wrote:
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> You can't cruse a 747 at 70 MPH but it works good with a Luscomb and low fuel burn so I think you could 2.5 GPH with a rotex. And don't forget that lainar flow wing it will have much lower drag.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer fuel flow

guys, I'm really starting to become worried about the ongoing communication and the fact that nobody ever bothers to look at the information presented.

Please allow me to spell it out for you directly from the manual and give you an explanation on fuel consumption.

fuel flow at cruise speed 108 knots 3.6 US gph (13.6 l/h)
fuel flow in circuits 2.5g US gph (9.5 l/h)

These details are clearly listed on the website and in the information pack and in the flight manual and a real figures. The fuel flow in circuits based on my experience is closer to 8.5 litres per hour instead of 9.5 litres per hour. It must be remembered that the Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer is extremely clean, it has no wing struts, no rivets nothing else in the air stream which can slow the aircraft down by creating drag. This design is based on a glider and pretty much the whole circuit from mid downwind is performed with the engine at idle so even though you are using full power for take off and climb to 1000 feet AGL the moment you are on mid downwind the rest of the circuit is with the engine at idle, with the engine at idle and at neutral flap the aircraft has a glide ratio of around 20 to 1 so it is easy to see that the aircraft can achieve and does achieve the quoted fuel flow figures.

Can we now please put this issue to bed.... many thanks Michael

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Ocala, FL

John
Thanks for the tips Ill look into them
Curt

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, John Weber <Ransfly@...> wrote:
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> Hi Curt,
> I would suggesting checking out some of the local EAA Chapters-There are two in Ocala, 1 at Loves Landing near Weirsdale, 1 in Leesburg. Also the Florida Flying Gators are in Groveland. The Gators are a light sport group and operate out of a private grass strip. They will usually have a spring and fall fly-in. The next fly-in is November 3rd. Good luck. John Weber(in Leesburg- member EAA chapter 534 and member Florida flying Gators.)
> On May 22, 2012, at 9:49 PM, rugbugus wrote:
>
> > Id like to meet some folks in the Ocala, FL area, my wife and I would love to fly, Im currently studying my ground school subj. hoping to obtain my PPL at some point.
> > Thanks
> > Curt
> >
> >
>

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Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Ocala, FL

Hi Curt,

I would suggesting checking out some of the local EAA Chapters-There are two in Ocala, 1 at Loves Landing near Weirsdale, 1 in Leesburg. Also the Florida Flying Gators are in Groveland. The Gators are a light sport group and operate out of a private grass strip. They will usually have a spring and fall fly-in. The next fly-in is November 3rd. Good luck. John Weber(in Leesburg- member EAA chapter 534 and member Florida flying Gators.)

On May 22, 2012, at 9:49 PM, rugbugus wrote:

Id like to meet some folks in the Ocala, FL area, my wife and I would love to fly, Im currently studying my ground school subj. hoping to obtain my PPL at some point.
Thanks
Curt

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fuel Burn

You can't cruse a 747 at 70 MPH but it works good with a Luscomb and low fuel burn so I think you could 2.5 GPH with a rotex. And don't forget that lainar flow wing it will have much lower drag.

From: Michael Huckle <m230683@hotmail.com>
To: Sport Aircraft <sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fuel Burn

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fuel Burn

> Posted by: "Robertmudd1u@aol.com" Robertmudd1u@aol.com
>
> The only way to get a Rotax to burn 2.5 GPH at cruse is to cruse
> at a low RPM and that results in a low speed.

or....

The only way to get any Aircraft engine to burn 2.5 GPH at cruise,
is to select a cruise speed at which 2.5 GPH is burned.

Yes... looks right to me. ;-)

Mike

PS:
I'm starting to think the expression "cruise speed" could be vague.
Also the expressions "normal" and "average" and "low RPM" and "low speed" and "Rotax".

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Ocala, FL

Id like to meet some folks in the Ocala, FL area, my wife and I would love to fly, Im currently studying my ground school subj. hoping to obtain my PPL at some point.
Thanks
Curt

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

In a message dated 5/22/2012 3:50:14 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mijniljj@yahoo.com writes:

It should get better tha 2.5 at a lowr cruise speed with a laminer flow wing if it gets 2.5 in touch and go.

It all depends on what RPM the pilot chooses for cruise.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

It should get better tha 2.5 at a lowr cruise speed with a laminer flow wing if it gets 2.5 in touch and go.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group hello

On 11:48 AM 5/22/2012, medicbill@aol.com wrote:

>Looks like the site has been hacked.

Well,. not this site... but members of this group (almost always Yahoo.com users), who just feel the need to click on links without knowing what they are about to click on. Sigh. I suspect many of these people don't even have up to date anti-virus software running on their computers.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group hello

Looks like the site has been hacked.

Bill Bower

In a message dated 5/22/2012 11:45:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n2759p@yahoo.com writes:

you should check this out http://www.inews15wa.net/biz/?page=4997816

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group hello

you should check this out http://www.inews15wa.net/biz/?page=4997816

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

I thought the 2.5 GPH figure was for touch and goes for training
which would be a lower speed around and around the pattern

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Robertmudd1u@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/19/2012 1:43:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> mcoates@... writes:
>
> nowhere does it mention anything but these figures so if you can help me
> and find where it said in the media 2.5 gph in cruise we will get it fixed.
>
>
>
>
>
> The only way to get a Rotax to burn 2.5 GPH at cruse is to cruse at a low
> RPM and that results in a low speed.
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

In a message dated 5/19/2012 1:43:13 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mcoates@mcp.com.au writes:

nowhere does it mention anything but these figures so if you can help me and find where it said in the media 2.5 gph in cruise we will get it fixed.

The only way to get a Rotax to burn 2.5 GPH at cruse is to cruse at a low RPM and that results in a low speed.

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wow can you look at this http://www.inews15wa.net/jobs/?read=3611344

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Don't forget to include the current liability insurance coverage due to this sue happy legal system.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
> Sure you can buy a 1979 C172 for that or less also.
> You know why because its 32 years old.
> We got to keep context. You can't try and compare that C172 to new aircraft. We need to compare apples to apples. Today the manufacturers have to deal with today's costs, labor, liability.
> Abid
>

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Monday, May 21, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Hi Ron,
Sure you can buy a 1979 C172 for that or less also.
You know why because its 32 years old.
We got to keep context. You can't try and compare that C172 to new aircraft. We need to compare apples to apples. Today the manufacturers have to deal with today's costs, labor, liability.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ron_d_hill" <Ron@...> wrote:
>
> 85k..... There are many other options for aircraft that cost less or deliver more in the used market.
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ThomasW" <tpwarga@> wrote:
> >
> > From AVWeb:
> > http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PipistrelAlphaLSATrainerReadyToFlyFor85K_206688-1.html
> >
> >
> > In my opinion, this is the approach that LSA manufacturers should be taking.
> >
> > This aircraft is configured with conventional instrumentation complemented by a GPS.
> >
> > This is the way I want to fly – I don't need the sophisticated (read: expensive) glass cockpits that really jack up the price of an airplane.
> >
> > Less expensive and rugged designs like this can only help bring in more students and pilots.
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

85k..... There are many other options for aircraft that cost less or deliver more in the used market.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ThomasW" <tpwarga@...> wrote:
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> From AVWeb:
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PipistrelAlphaLSATrainerReadyToFlyFor85K_206688-1.html
>
>
> In my opinion, this is the approach that LSA manufacturers should be taking.
>
> This aircraft is configured with conventional instrumentation complemented by a GPS.
>
> This is the way I want to fly – I don't need the sophisticated (read: expensive) glass cockpits that really jack up the price of an airplane.
>
> Less expensive and rugged designs like this can only help bring in more students and pilots.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Some Positive Light Sport Info

Very cool! I the FK set up with hand controls?

Helen

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Delivered Hansen Air Group's Fk9 N156WP to Purdue University field in Lafayette, IN on Thursday. Delivered Sky Arrow N445SA on Saturday and checked out two instructors. These two aircraft along with Sky Arrow N448SA from Philly Sport Pilot will be used to train six students in the Able Flight-Purdue University summer program over the next 5 weeks. Check out Able Flight for updates. http://ableflight.org/featured-posts/six-scholarship-winners-chosen-to-train-at-purdue

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Done. I've already asked everyone once to move this discussion in a positive direction.

Time to end this thread folks. Anyone who does not will also be moved to moderated status.

Helen

On 5/20/2012 7:31 PM, medicbill@aol.com wrote:

Time to moderate this guy.

In a message dated 5/20/2012 3:43:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frankiebpr@yahoo.com writes:

I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent

airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.

May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip. If you have nothing to

bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments. If this is what you like,

may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using t echnology in your

favor........for goodness sake!!!!! LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND

VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.

FRANK GONZALEZ

Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
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> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Time to moderate this guy.

In a message dated 5/20/2012 3:43:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, frankiebpr@yahoo.com writes:

I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent

airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.

May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip. If you have nothing to

bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments. If this is what you like,

may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using t echnology in your

favor........for goodness sake!!!!! LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND

VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.

FRANK GONZALEZ

Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Sorry. You should take your own advice. Didn't read my very next comment after this one I gather.
Btw, even given that quite flaming pathetic show.
Best
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent
> airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.
>
> May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip. If you have nothing to
> bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments. If this is what you like,
> may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using technology in your
> favor........for goodness sake!!!!! LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND
> VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.
>
> FRANK GONZALEZ
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> > Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?
> >
> > I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.
> >
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
> > >
> > > put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> > > Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
> > >
> > > I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Thank you, Gary!

Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Gary<garyo@bak.rr.com> wrote:

Careful. We don't tolerate picking on each other here. We are open to opinions if constructive or of interest to the group.

Gary, moderator

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Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent
airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.

May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip. If you have nothing to
bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments. If this is what you like,
may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using technology in your
favor........for goodness sake!!!!! LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND
VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.

FRANK GONZALEZ

Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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