All About Light Sport Aircraft: August 2013

Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

John,

I have flown some part 103 trikes that met the limitations of part 103.

However, I have also flown 103 trikes that met the exemption parameters of 10
gallons fuel and 496 pounds.

In fact, my current trike, 460 pounds, 10 gallon fuel was perfectly legal until
LSA/SP.

My trike is long since legal again with an airworthiness certificate, 'N'
number, etc and registered under the grandfather provisions of LSA as an ELSA.

So, my only current 'ax to grind' is the astm weight limit on the front seat of
the SLSA trikes of only 225 pounds.

R. Williams

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From: John Price <japrice@mindspring.com>
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Sent: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:25:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

> On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 07:14:22 AM Michael Huckle wrote:
>
> > "Richard Williams" rkwill98356
> > Jim,
> > I got the 100 hours from the days of part 103 UL, before the silliness
> > of LSA/SP
>
> Note, I think he means the part 103++++ as in very overweight "part 103's".
> Also Richard has an axe to grind since the weight limits of lsa and
> 103 preclude flying for him due to weight limitations... He has an axe
> to grind! John
>
> > Richard, you appear to insult both the LSA/SP situation and the UL
> situation at the same time.
> (how can this be?... that one has loathing for both?)
>
> Mike
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point - 2nd flight

alan, my first attempt at taxiing was something for the books. it was not
pretty. don't know what you're training in but once you get the hang of it
it'll be second nature to you. just remember not to taxi faster than a
brisk walk and be sure to orient the ailerons properly for the wind. you'll
be fine. I still remember the first time I was allowed to take off...what a
rush!

'73,
rich, n9dko
If you think women are the weaker sex just try pulling the blankets back to
your side.
_________________________________
Today was my second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for
today. I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for
questions I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the
aircraft I am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my
head for the week.

This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-OFF under my
own control. What a rush!

Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns, and
barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane in line.
This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the foot pedals
with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the maneuver.
The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I was instructed to
head back to the airport and make our decent. My instructor took over and
brought us in for the final and landing.

I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the yellow
line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Check Ride

thanks, alan. my instructor did an excellent job of preparation as the
rehersal check rides we did were far more intense than the real deal.

'73,
rich, n9dko
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Hi Rich, Much congratulation from this beginner. Sounds like we are on
similar life paths!
Alan

SkyCatcher 162
HMT
Hemet, CA

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point - 2nd flight

Today was my second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for today. I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for questions I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the aircraft I am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my head for the week.

This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-OFF under my own control. What a rush!

Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns, and barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane in line. This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the foot pedals with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the maneuver.
The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I was instructed to head back to the airport and make our decent. My instructor took over and brought us in for the final and landing.

I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the yellow line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.

Alan
162 SkyCatcher
HMT
Hemet, CA

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <abartz@...> wrote:
>
> I was able to take my first flight today! I must admit that this was even better than I had imagined. After some ground instruction, and preflight check of the Cessna 162 SkyCatcher, we were taxiing to the runway. A quick jog off the taxiway into the run-up area, then we were heading down the runway - AND WE WERE OFF!!!
>
> To my surprise, and joy, I got to take the controls and following my instructor's direction, made some simple (and admittedly timid) maneuvers. keep in mind, that I had NEVER done this before today, and just learned what all the controls were in pre flight.
>
> I am looking forward to next week's lesson with much anticipation. I hope my dreams tonight are filled with todays incredible experience.
>
> And, I can finally say, (and have the logged entry to prove it!) I have officially started my journey to becoming a pilot.
>
> Thanks to everyone on their encouragement and support. I'll let you know when my first solo is.
>
> Alan
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <abartz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone. This is my starting point in my adventure towards LSA activity. I have reached the point in my life that either I start this interest now, or let it go. I choose to start!
> >
> > I know only what I have read in the WIKI sites regarding obtaining a LSA certificate. It seems doable for me. There is an airfield close by and will also be lurking around there to get an idea of how to proceed.
> >
> > The goal is to own and fly a piper type aircraft. I am very impressed by the Graphite Cub I found at CubCrafters. Most every review I have found liked them too.
> >
> > So here I am, ready to learn. Hit me with your best advise, or warnings. Hopefully I will be able to contribute something down the road.
> >
> > Thanks for having me here!
> >
> > Alan
> > Southern California
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Check Ride

Hi Rich, Much congratulation from this beginner. Sounds like we are on similar life paths!
Alan

SkyCatcher 162
HMT
Hemet, CA

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" <rk911@...> wrote:
>
> had my check ride in a SkyCatcher yesterday and...passed it! that is the
> culmination of a 30-year dream for me. I started lessons in a Cessna 152
> back in 1982 but as so often happens life got in the way...and kept getting
> in the way. i'm retired now and decided that i'm not getting any younger
> and that if I was going to get this thing done now was the time. yesterday,
> my dream came true thanks to my instructor at the JA Flight School at aurora
> airport (ARR) and the DPE at janesville, wi (JVL). I'm thinking of going
> for my private pilot but for now I'm going to take a step back, exit
> training mode and enjoy my new privleges.
>
> to those on the list who are still in training don't give up...keep on doing
> what you're doing. the time and effort you're putting in WILL be worth it
> when your DPE hands you your temporary airman certificate. to those who may
> be deciding whether or not to start training I would encourage you to take a
> discovery ride at a flight school. there is absolutely nothing like the
> feeling of that first takeoff. and to those of you who have passed your
> check ride...i am proud to be a member of the fraternity.
>
> blue skies to all.
>
>
> '73,
> rich, n9dko
> Good judgment comes from experience. experience, well that comes from poor
> judgment.
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>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Check Ride

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

Mike,

I'm not saying anything against UL.
There was one of the orgs that was giving away instructor certificates like they
were candy.

I DO have a very low regard for SP/LSA. Including the ASTM setting the weight
limit on the front seat of a trike at a mere 225 pounds. (I'm 300 pounds)

R. Williams

P.S.
Mike, we know each other, for instance at Dougs' annual BBQ at the lodi airport.
R.W.

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Michael Huckle <m230683@hotmail.com>
To: Sport Aircraft <sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:14:22 -0700
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

> > "Richard Williams" rkwill98356
> > Jim,
> > I got the 100 hours from the days of part 103 UL, before the silliness
> > of LSA/SP
> > came along.
> > In those days, an instructor was expected to have 100+ hours in their
> > two seat
> > UL, along with the principals of instruction course before taking a
> > student aloft.
> >
> > (lets not get into those that were selling instructor certificates at
> > $40 a pop.)
> > R. Williams
>
> Richard, you appear to insult both the LSA/SP situation and the UL
> situation at the same time.
> (how can this be?... that one has loathing for both?)
>
> Comparing the UL situation in 1998 with the SP situation today,
> I'd rate 1998 as better.
>
> Incidentally, I was an Ultralight Instructor, and the requirements
> were about 65 to 100 hours of experience, training specifically
> to -be- an instructor, a flight test with an AFI (about $300),
> and IIRC $100/year to an Org, on top of the $40/yr for membership of
> the Org.
>
> Your claim of "$40 a pop" is significantly incorrect.
>
> Mike
>
> .
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 07:14:22 AM Michael Huckle wrote:

> "Richard Williams" rkwill98356
> Jim,
> I got the 100 hours from the days of part 103 UL, before the silliness
> of LSA/SP

Note, I think he means the part 103++++ as in very overweight "part 103's".

Also Richard has an axe to grind since the weight limits of lsa and 103 preclude flying for him due to weight limitations...

He has an axe to grind!

John

> Richard, you appear to insult both the LSA/SP situation and the UL
situation at the same time.
(how can this be?... that one has loathing for both?)

Mike

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

>
> (lets not get into those that were selling instructor certificates at
> $40 a pop.)
> R. Williams

Richard, you appear to insult both the LSA/SP situation and the UL
situation at the same time.
(how can this be?... that one has loathing for both?)

Comparing the UL situation in 1998 with the SP situation today,
I'd rate 1998 as better.

Incidentally, I was an Ultralight Instructor, and the requirements
were about 65 to 100 hours of experience, training specifically
to -be- an instructor, a flight test with an AFI (about $300),
and IIRC $100/year to an Org, on top of the $40/yr for membership of the Org.

Your claim of "$40 a pop" is significantly incorrect.

Mike

If I told you once, I told you a million times not to exaggerate.

Bill

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

> "Richard Williams" rkwill98356
> Jim,
> I got the 100 hours from the days of part 103 UL, before the silliness
> of LSA/SP
> came along.
> In those days, an instructor was expected to have 100+ hours in their
> two seat
> UL, along with the principals of instruction course before taking a
> student aloft.
>
> (lets not get into those that were selling instructor certificates at
> $40 a pop.)
> R. Williams

Richard, you appear to insult both the LSA/SP situation and the UL
situation at the same time.
(how can this be?... that one has loathing for both?)

Comparing the UL situation in 1998 with the SP situation today,
I'd rate 1998 as better.

Incidentally, I was an Ultralight Instructor, and the requirements
were about 65 to 100 hours of experience, training specifically
to -be- an instructor, a flight test with an AFI (about $300),
and IIRC $100/year to an Org, on top of the $40/yr for membership of the Org.

Your claim of "$40 a pop" is significantly incorrect.

Mike

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Tuesday, August 27, 2013

RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

Jim,

I got the 100 hours from the days of part 103 UL, before the silliness of LSA/SP
came along.
In those days, an instructor was expected to have 100+ hours in their two seat
UL, along with the principals of instruction course before taking a student aloft.

(lets not get into those that were selling instructor certificates at $40 a pop.)

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Jim Bair <jimbair@live.com>
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:08:49 +0000
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

> I understand the importance of safety and the value of experience, but
> I am not sure what your justification is for recommending 100 hours as
> the standard. If that was the case, that a person should have 100
> hours to be permitted to carry a passenger, then the standard would
> reflect that. When I am acting in my role as DPE, a criterion I have
> in the back of my head as I am evaluating someone is whether or not
> they fly well enough and exercise the judgment I would want a pilot to
> possess to take one of my family members, or yours, or his own, for a
> ride. The PTS is designed to a standard that if a person can meet it,
> he flies well enough to meet the standard to carry a passenger. Is he
> as good, as experienced, as he will ever be? Of course not. Should
> he exercise good judgment in evaluating conditions? Always, and that
> requirement continues forever. And how do you know what conditions he
> has been trained in? I would never recommend a student for a
> checkride unless he has experienced crosswind landings. And mid day
> flying. So not sure where you get the justification for your
> statement about "conditions your instructor would have been careful
> to avoid." Unless you know the situation personally, but as a
> general statement or guidance I disagree with the 100 hour philosophy.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> From: Richard Williams
> Sent: ‎August‎ ‎27‎, ‎2013 ‎7‎:‎34‎ ‎AM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current
>
> Richard B,
>
> Here is my take on your question.
>
> Your a brand new pilot, just got your certificate.
>
> My suggestion...
> Don't even think about a passenger until you have well over 100 hours
> in your
LSA. You need air time, with lots of landings in all kinds of
> conditions.
>
> Conditions that your instructor would have been careful to avoid.
>
> Conditions like when the wind was calm and you were wide awake in the
> morning,
but when you arrive back to land a couple of hours later,
> the wind is 20 mph
across the runway.
That is no time to be risking
> a passenger, while you try to learn how to handle
a cross wind
> landing.
>
> Similarly, when the thermals are popping. The first many times, will
> have your
hands full just flying, it will be no time to have a
> panicked passenger grabbing
controls and/or puking and/or screaming
> in your ear.
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Richard Bauer" <rk911@yahoo.com>
> To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:52:09 -0500
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current
>
> > got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instructor the
> > same question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
> >
> > I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> > airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy
> > at an airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR
> > states that in order to carry passengers I have to keep current by
> > making 3-landings within the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot
> > I've got that requirement and more, both in dual and solo.
> >
> > my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and
> > solo/PIC) count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a
> > certified pilot before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57
> > makes no such distinction and my instructor believes I should be just
> > fine but I thought I would ask here. during my check ride i made 3-
> > landings and the DPE instructed me to log the flight as PIC time so
> > with that alone I think I'm covered in terms of currency for
> > passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can just go out
> > to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do that
> > but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

I understand the importance of safety and the value of experience, but I am not sure what your justification is for recommending 100 hours as the standard. If that was the case, that a person should have 100 hours to be permitted to carry a passenger, then the standard would reflect that. When I am acting in my role as DPE, a criterion I have in the back of my head as I am evaluating someone is whether or not they fly well enough and exercise the judgment I would want a pilot to possess to take one of my family members, or yours, or his own, for a ride. The PTS is designed to a standard that if a person can meet it, he flies well enough to meet the standard to carry a passenger. Is he as good, as experienced, as he will ever be? Of course not. Should he exercise good judgment in evaluating conditions? Always, and that requirement continues forever. And how do you know what conditions he has been trained in? I would never recommend a student for a checkride unless he has experienced crosswind landings. And mid day flying. So not sure where you get the justification for your statement about "conditions your instructor would have been careful to avoid." Unless you know the situation personally, but as a general statement or guidance I disagree with the 100 hour philosophy.

Jim

Sent from Windows Mail

From: Richard Williams
Sent: ‎August‎ ‎27‎, ‎2013 ‎7‎:‎34‎ ‎AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

Richard B,

Here is my take on your question.

Your a brand new pilot, just got your certificate.

My suggestion...
Don't even think about a passenger until you have well over 100 hours in your
LSA. You need air time, with lots of landings in all kinds of conditions.

Conditions that your instructor would have been careful to avoid.

Conditions like when the wind was calm and you were wide awake in the morning,
but when you arrive back to land a couple of hours later, the wind is 20 mph
across the runway.
That is no time to be risking a passenger, while you try to learn how to handle
a cross wind landing.

Similarly, when the thermals are popping. The first many times, will have your
hands full just flying, it will be no time to have a panicked passenger grabbing
controls and/or puking and/or screaming in your ear.

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Richard Bauer" <rk911@yahoo.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:52:09 -0500
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

> got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instructor the
> same question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
>
> I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy
> at an airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR
> states that in order to carry passengers I have to keep current by
> making 3-landings within the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot
> I've got that requirement and more, both in dual and solo.
>
> my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and
> solo/PIC) count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a
> certified pilot before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57
> makes no such distinction and my instructor believes I should be just
> fine but I thought I would ask here. during my check ride i made 3-
> landings and the DPE instructed me to log the flight as PIC time so
> with that alone I think I'm covered in terms of currency for
> passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can just go out
> to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do that
> but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

thanks, richard...apprecite the advice. actually my instructor was very pro-active and had me up in 15-18 knot winds...not a 90-degree cross wind as that would be outside the demonstrated ability of the skycatcher (12-knots) but a fairly good crosswind. I've also got well over 100-hrs in the skycatcher.

I did speak with the FSDO yesterday and confirmed that all of my PIC landings, including the check ride landings, do indeed count.

'73,
rich, n9dko
Why dabble in the stock market? You can lose your money at the casino just as easily and the drinks are free!
_________________________________
Here is my take on your question.

Your a brand new pilot, just got your certificate.

My suggestion...
Don't even think about a passenger until you have well over 100 hours in your
LSA. You need air time, with lots of landings in all kinds of conditions.

Conditions that your instructor would have been careful to avoid.

Conditions like when the wind was calm and you were wide awake in the morning,
but when you arrive back to land a couple of hours later, the wind is 20 mph
across the runway.
That is no time to be risking a passenger, while you try to learn how to handle
a cross wind landing.

Similarly, when the thermals are popping. The first many times, will have your
hands full just flying, it will be no time to have a panicked passenger grabbing
controls and/or puking and/or screaming in your ear.

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Richard Bauer" <rk911@yahoo.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:52:09 -0500
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

> got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instructor the
> same question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
>
> I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy
> at an airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR
> states that in order to carry passengers I have to keep current by
> making 3-landings within the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot
> I've got that requirement and more, both in dual and solo.
>
> my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and
> solo/PIC) count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a
> certified pilot before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57
> makes no such distinction and my instructor believes I should be just
> fine but I thought I would ask here. during my check ride i made 3-
> landings and the DPE instructed me to log the flight as PIC time so
> with that alone I think I'm covered in terms of currency for
> passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can just go out
> to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do that
> but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

Sunday, August 25, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Keeping Current

Mr. Smith,

You are correct, the landings you accomplished as PIC on the check-ride count as your currency. Congrats on the Sport license, nice to see more pilots coming aboard, welcome!

Tom "TC" Freeman, CFI/I
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--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <tgsmith398@...> wrote:
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> You're good
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> On Aug 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
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> > Check with AFS 610 in the morning: 405-954-6400.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > On 8/25/2013 12:52 PM, Richard Bauer wrote:
> > > got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instuctor the same
> > > question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
> > >
> > > I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> > > airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy at an
> > > airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR states that in
> > > order to carry passengers I have to keep current by making 3-landings within
> > > the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot I've got that requirement and
> > > more, both in dual and solo.
> > >
> > > my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and solo/PIC)
> > > count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a certified pilot
> > > before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57 makes no such distinction
> > > and my instructor believes I should be just fine but I thought I would ask
> > > here. during my check ride i made 3-landings and the DPE instructed me to
> > > log the flight as PIC time so with that alone I think I'm covered in terms
> > > of currency for passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can
> > > just go out to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do
> > > that but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
> > >
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

I spoke with my DPE today and he agrees.

'73,
rich, n9dko
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Keeping Current

You're good

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net> wrote:

Check with AFS 610 in the morning: 405-954-6400.

Helen

On 8/25/2013 12:52 PM, Richard Bauer wrote:
> got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instuctor the same
> question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
>
> I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy at an
> airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR states that in
> order to carry passengers I have to keep current by making 3-landings within
> the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot I've got that requirement and
> more, both in dual and solo.
>
> my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and solo/PIC)
> count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a certified pilot
> before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57 makes no such distinction
> and my instructor believes I should be just fine but I thought I would ask
> here. during my check ride i made 3-landings and the DPE instructed me to
> log the flight as PIC time so with that alone I think I'm covered in terms
> of currency for passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can
> just go out to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do
> that but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
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Check with AFS 610 in the morning: 405-954-6400.

Helen

On 8/25/2013 12:52 PM, Richard Bauer wrote:
> got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instuctor the same
> question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.
>
> I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
> airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy at an
> airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR states that in
> order to carry passengers I have to keep current by making 3-landings within
> the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot I've got that requirement and
> more, both in dual and solo.
>
> my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and solo/PIC)
> count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a certified pilot
> before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57 makes no such distinction
> and my instructor believes I should be just fine but I thought I would ask
> here. during my check ride i made 3-landings and the DPE instructed me to
> log the flight as PIC time so with that alone I think I'm covered in terms
> of currency for passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can
> just go out to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do
> that but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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got a question I hope someone can answer. I've asked my instuctor the same
question and he gave me a 90% certainty on his answer.

I passed my sport pilot check ride the other day and have my temporary
airman certificate. a buddy and I are planning to meet another buddy at an
airport restaurant for breakfast next week. 61.57 of the FAR states that in
order to carry passengers I have to keep current by making 3-landings within
the preceding 90-days. as a student pilot I've got that requirement and
more, both in dual and solo.

my question is....do those landings as a student (both dual and solo/PIC)
count towards currency or must I now do 3-landings as a certified pilot
before I can carry my buddy as a passenger? 61.57 makes no such distinction
and my instructor believes I should be just fine but I thought I would ask
here. during my check ride i made 3-landings and the DPE instructed me to
log the flight as PIC time so with that alone I think I'm covered in terms
of currency for passengers...but I'm not 100% certain. yes, I know I can
just go out to the airport and run the pattern for an hour and I may just do
that but I'm curious as to the answer to my question.

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we just listed a kolb for sale on barnstormers, slide show   http://youtu.be/Ee3EsaIOnM8 
 
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Saturday, August 24, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Check Ride

had my check ride in a SkyCatcher yesterday and...passed it! that is the
culmination of a 30-year dream for me. I started lessons in a Cessna 152
back in 1982 but as so often happens life got in the way...and kept getting
in the way. i'm retired now and decided that i'm not getting any younger
and that if I was going to get this thing done now was the time. yesterday,
my dream came true thanks to my instructor at the JA Flight School at aurora
airport (ARR) and the DPE at janesville, wi (JVL). I'm thinking of going
for my private pilot but for now I'm going to take a step back, exit
training mode and enjoy my new privleges.

to those on the list who are still in training don't give up...keep on doing
what you're doing. the time and effort you're putting in WILL be worth it
when your DPE hands you your temporary airman certificate. to those who may
be deciding whether or not to start training I would encourage you to take a
discovery ride at a flight school. there is absolutely nothing like the
feeling of that first takeoff. and to those of you who have passed your
check ride...i am proud to be a member of the fraternity.

blue skies to all.

'73,
rich, n9dko
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judgment.
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Short Video of flight in my Skycatcher

Dennis, I used to post pictures of my flights, but after getting an HD camera and taking videos, it tells about your experience so much better. This first attempt is a great start and I'm sure you will get better and better. I'm still working on my videos ...

Ralph

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "dennis_persyk" <dpersyk@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Group
>
> I assembled a few images taken with my digital camera on a recent flight
> with Windows Movie Maker. Take a look and let me know what you think.
> This is my first attempt at this sort of presentation. Real videos are
> coming in the future.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqDS1xlYR0
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqDS1xlYR0>
>
> Fly safely and often,
>
> Dennis Persyk
>
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Friday, August 23, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Short Video of flight in my Skycatcher

Hello Group

I assembled a few images taken with my digital camera on a recent flight with Windows Movie Maker. Take a look and let me know what you think. This is my first attempt at this sort of presentation. Real videos are coming in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWqDS1xlYR0

Fly safely and often,

Dennis Persyk

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Challenger build photos.

Hi fellas,

Im just a lurker here, but I put up a few photos
of my Challenger that I have been working on for
a while. Paint the wings next and assemble. Power
will be a 582 with three blade Warp Drive prop.

Enjoy.

Jeff.

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Thursday, August 22, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Boulder Junction fly-in

Dennis, I have made several flying videos posted on youtube. I'm still in the learning stages making them. They should get better in time. They are all in HD, so click on the little gear wheel on the lower right of the video to use 750P and use full screen.

Ralph

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "dennis_persyk" <dpersyk@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> Thanks for sharing the Bolder Junction fly in video with us. I'm
> located in northern Illinois and about 2 hours in the Sky Catcher to BDJ
> so I passed on it. Wisconsin has some great airports.
>
> Fly safely and often,
>
> Dennis N900DP based 68IS
>
> Skycatcher Page http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm
> <http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Ralph wrote:
> >
> > We attended the Boulder Junction fly-in in Wisconsin on 8/11/13. It
> was on a grass strip in the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin. They got
> about 72 aircraft in there. They served a free chicken dinner, gave out
> a free hat, and we had a great time. I was the only Kolb that flew in.
> >
> > Here is a video of the fly-in:
> >
> > http://youtu.be/PXyT7m16Vgw
> >
> > Ralph
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point - first flight

Hi Alan,

Congrats on the first flight. I'm sure it was exhilarating. Only to be soon eclipsed on your journey by your solo and check ride. Glad to hear more Sky Catcher pilots checking in.

Fly safely and often.

Dennis N900DP based 68IS

Skycatcher Page http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote:
>
> I was able to take my first flight today! I must admit that this was even better than I had imagined. After some ground instruction, and preflight check of the Cessna 162 SkyCatcher, we were taxiing to the runway. A quick jog off the taxiway into the run-up area, then we were heading down the runway - AND WE WERE OFF!!!
>
> To my surprise, and joy, I got to take the controls and following my instructor's direction, made some simple (and admittedly timid) maneuvers. keep in mind, that I had NEVER done this before today, and just learned what all the controls were in pre flight.
>
> I am looking forward to next week's lesson with much anticipation. I hope my dreams tonight are filled with todays incredible experience.
>
> And, I can finally say, (and have the logged entry to prove it!) I have officially started my journey to becoming a pilot.
>
> Thanks to everyone on their encouragement and support. I'll let you know when my first solo is.
>
> Alan
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" abartz@ wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone. This is my starting point in my adventure towards LSA activity. I have reached the point in my life that either I start this interest now, or let it go. I choose to start!
> >
> > I know only what I have read in the WIKI sites regarding obtaining a LSA certificate. It seems doable for me. There is an airfield close by and will also be lurking around there to get an idea of how to proceed.
> >
> > The goal is to own and fly a piper type aircraft. I am very impressed by the Graphite Cub I found at CubCrafters. Most every review I have found liked them too.
> >
> > So here I am, ready to learn. Hit me with your best advise, or warnings. Hopefully I will be able to contribute something down the road.
> >
> > Thanks for having me here!
> >
> > Alan
> > Southern California
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point - first flight

Hi Rich,

Glad to hear another Sky Catcher pilot is enjoying flying in that great little bird.

Fly safely and often.

73, N9DP

Dennis N900DP based 68IS

Skycatcher Page http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" wrote:
>
> most excellent, alan! I'm training in a skycatcher and love it. hope you
> will, too. let us know how you progress.
>
>
> '73,
> rich, n9dko
> "They say hard work never killed anyone...but why take the chance?"
> ___________________________________________
> I was able to take my first flight today! I must admit that this was even
> better than I had imagined. After some ground instruction, and preflight
> check of the Cessna 162 SkyCatcher, we were taxiing to the runway. A quick
> jog off the taxiway into the run-up area, then we were heading down the
> runway - AND WE WERE OFF!!!
>
> To my surprise, and joy, I got to take the controls and following my
> instructor's direction, made some simple (and admittedly timid) maneuvers.
> keep in mind, that I had NEVER done this before today, and just learned what
> all the controls were in pre flight.
>
> I am looking forward to next week's lesson with much anticipation. I hope
> my dreams tonight are filled with todays incredible experience.
>
> And, I can finally say, (and have the logged entry to prove it!) I have
> officially started my journey to becoming a pilot.
>
> Thanks to everyone on their encouragement and support. I'll let you know
> when my first solo is.
>
> Alan
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Boulder Junction fly-in

Hi Ralph,

Thanks for sharing the Bolder Junction fly in video with us. I'm located in northern Illinois and about 2 hours in the Sky Catcher to BDJ so I passed on it. Wisconsin has some great airports.

Fly safely and often,

Dennis N900DP based 68IS

Skycatcher Page http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Ralph wrote:
>
> We attended the Boulder Junction fly-in in Wisconsin on 8/11/13. It was on a grass strip in the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin. They got about 72 aircraft in there. They served a free chicken dinner, gave out a free hat, and we had a great time. I was the only Kolb that flew in.
>
> Here is a video of the fly-in:
>
> http://youtu.be/PXyT7m16Vgw
>
> Ralph
>

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Wednesday, August 21, 2013

RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point - first flight

most excellent, alan! I'm training in a skycatcher and love it. hope you
will, too. let us know how you progress.

'73,
rich, n9dko
"They say hard work never killed anyone...but why take the chance?"
___________________________________________
I was able to take my first flight today! I must admit that this was even
better than I had imagined. After some ground instruction, and preflight
check of the Cessna 162 SkyCatcher, we were taxiing to the runway. A quick
jog off the taxiway into the run-up area, then we were heading down the
runway - AND WE WERE OFF!!!

To my surprise, and joy, I got to take the controls and following my
instructor's direction, made some simple (and admittedly timid) maneuvers.
keep in mind, that I had NEVER done this before today, and just learned what
all the controls were in pre flight.

I am looking forward to next week's lesson with much anticipation. I hope
my dreams tonight are filled with todays incredible experience.

And, I can finally say, (and have the logged entry to prove it!) I have
officially started my journey to becoming a pilot.

Thanks to everyone on their encouragement and support. I'll let you know
when my first solo is.

Alan

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