The worst case scenario is heavy front seat with no back seat passenger and very little fuel (behind the hangpoint).
Also the hangpoint range acceptable in front only (1-up)/front and back (2-up) loading distributions. Most production trikes don't require any adjustament to hangpoint one-up or two-up but it is possible some can to be in the right attitude.
http://www.evolutiontrikes.com
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...> wrote:
>
> OK, no problem. Very typically in aircraft it is called weight and balance,
> but weight and loading is certainly acceptable. It is simply a name on the
> paper, but the use of the paper is the same. It is to calculate the weight
> and balance (or loading) of the aircraft. I like that term, weight and
> loading. It is very descriptive, because it is to help the pilot decide how
> to load the aircraft.
>
> So now that we have solved that, you still have to be able to do the loading
> calculation to see if your nose wheel will hang lower than the mains.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Williams
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO
> aircraft
>
>
> Jim,
>
> When I got the airworthiness inspection for my trike at Rainbow Aviation,
> it was weight and loading, not weight and balance.
>
> My paperwork says weight and loading.
>
> The airworthiness packet from the EAA says weight and loading.
>
> The form, part of the airworthiness inspection paper work, at:
> <http://www.rainierultralightengines.com/form/trike%20weight%20and%20loading%20fillable%20rev2.pdf>
>
> says weight and loading
>
> R. Williams
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...>
> To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO
> aircraft
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > >From: Richard Williams
> > >W&B on a trike!
> >
> > Yes. Weight and balance on a trike. You say that like it's a surprise.
> I'm not sure what your exclamation mark means, but I think it means you are
> surprised.
> >
> > >More likely W&L Weight and Loading.
> >
> > Not really. The Weight and loading is easy. We add your weight, my
> weight, the fuel, and the trike, and see if it adds up to less than 992. It
> does. I can do that in my head. No, our concern is what you mentioned
> about the nose wheel hanging lower.
> >
> > >The easiest way to check the 'angle of dangle' is to hang the trike
> from the hangblock connection. with no fuel and me in the front seat and you
> in the back.
> >
> > Actually, that would most definitely *not* be the easiest way. What
> exactly would we hang the trike from and how? Yes, it would be a sure way
> of checking, but that is for people with no math skills. We're pilots, so
> we would simply perform a W&B calculation. We could do it in way less time
> than it would take someone to hang the trike up somewhere.
> >
> > >How do you do the calculations?
> >
> > All of that information is available in any basic "How to be a pilot"
> textbook and in the study guides for taking the written test so I won't
> retype it all here. If you haven't taken the written yet, you'll probably
> be getting a written exam study guide and you'll find it all laid out there.
> There should be W&B paperwork with your trike as well that provides the info
> necessary for doing the calculations. And you may get a question exactly
> like this on your oral, so be ready for it. Warning: "Hang the trike up"
> will not be a satisfactory answer.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...>
> > To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:25:50 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO
> aircraft
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > > Obviously if a W&B calc is performed and the nose wheel would be
> hanging below the mains, that is an unworkable situation. I haven't done
> the math, but off the top of my head I would think you could fly my trike.
> If it turns out that it is close and you have to fly in your birthday suit,
> no worries. I have a Canon 5D with a really nice lens and my kids can take
> good pictures. Your checkride will definitely be a Kodak moment. haha We
> would definitely have some material for the cover of some flying magazine
> somewhere.
> > >
> > > Seriously, I'll do some math if you are serious about doing a
> checkride but unfortunately that would involve you traveling all the way to
> see me in Wisconsin. Let me know if I can help.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Williams
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in
> NORDO aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > First it would not be my word, it would be the word of the instructor
> that referred me to the examiner.
> > >
> > > I weight ~300 pounds in my birthday suit.
> > > Add street clothes, helmet, flight suit, etc and the total is more
> like 320 pounds.
> > >
> > > R. Williams
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@...>
> > > To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:13:24 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in
> NORDO aircraft
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard,
> > > > Just how large are you? You can contact me off list if you would
> like. I've flown with some pretty large guys. Before you get upset about
> the "dual controls" requirement, let me say that if you have not had the
> experience of riding in some people's back seat who you "think" should
> already know how to fly, please be tolerant of the seeming paranoia from the
> crowd who think dual controls is a good idea. Their paranoia comes from
> experience. Please trust me on this one. I'm pretty confident in my
> abilities and I've done some questionable checkrides that I guarantee the
> applicant would have not gotten from their local FSDO had they asked.
> (That's why I questioned your weight. I do my best to help people achieve
> their goals.) I have also experienced some, how should I say this,
> experiences that examiners think their applicants shouldn't put them
> through. In other words, I have had to take the aircraft to avoid crashing.
> So as much as an examiner would love to take your word for the fact that you
> can fly just fine, please understand the need for dual controls. Which on a
> trike we have yet to define. Should be fun.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Richard Williams
> > > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:16 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in
> NORDO aircraft
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob,
> > > >
> > > > That makes the chances of my EVER getting the SP certificate and
> zero having the same probability.
> > > >
> > > > R. Williams
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > From: Bob Comperini <bob@...>
> > > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:45:12 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in
> NORDO aircraft
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Universally, so far, they have all required performing the test
> in a dual control trike, preferably their own trike
> > > > >
> > > > > Having dual controls is a requirement for the aircraft being used
> for the practical exam. The examiner has no choice in the matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bob Comperini
> > > > > e-mail: bob@...
> > > > > WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ------- End of Original Message -------
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > ------- End of Original Message -------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > ------- End of Original Message -------
> >
> >
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>
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