From: Richard Williams <rkwill@lewiscounty.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 9:10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?
George,
Here is were I got my numbers for the skycatcher:
<http://www.162skycatcher.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5915&view=unread>
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: george_rf <george_rf1@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 18:08:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?
> you have a problem with weight and also with math
>
> Disclaimer ; opinions of others will vary depending on what [UTF-8?]they’re selling
>
> This is my website
> http://curedcomposites.netfirms.com/index.html
> Look all you want but don't touch
>
> --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Richard Williams <rkwill@lewiscounty.com> wrote:
>
> From: Richard Williams <rkwill@lewiscounty.com>
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Is everyone here to bash
> Skycatchers? To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, August
> 7, 2010, 8:09 PM
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Cessna claims that delivery was to begin in mid 2009.
> Now, your saying it will be another 2 years and this is 2010.
>
> This is beginning to sound like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
>
> Anyway, 490 total payload.
> 24 gal fuel.
> (24*6=144)
> 490-144=346 for passengers..
> I'm 300 in my birthday suit.
> so 146 for a co-pilot/instructor.
> Hummmmm
> I'm not sure of any instructors who are that light.
> (Now, a nice lady co-pilot would be real nice.)
>
> Of course, unless that co-pilot is an instructor, I'll never be
> owning/flying a skycatcher.
>
> I did crawl into a fixed wing sport pilot plane a while back.
> I do mean crawl, there was not even enough room to turn around.
> also, most of my legs were still outside when I ran out of room, up
> against the opposite door.
>
> The mock-ups of the skycatcher that I have seen are even smaller.
>
> I guess Cessna has not yet caught on to the fact that most of todays'
> pilots are 6' or taller and well over the (official FAA) 170 pounds.
>
> To tell the truth, I feel sorry for the flight schools that have been
> duped into purchasing the skycatcher as a dual instruction trainer.
>
> Incidently, I might wonder about the suitability of the skycatcher as
> a training plane, as there seems to be a VERY serious problem with
> performing stalls.
> (severe to the point of having to throw the 'chute after a stall)
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: Michael Luttrell <travlin22002@yahoo.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?
>
> > Maybe I'm off base, but it seems to me that ALL of you are here
> > primarily to bash Cessna and Skycatchers! I just galloped through 6
> > months of messages, and could not find one positive comment. I joined
> > this list because I actually have a 162 on order; anybody else? As
> > you are surely aware, delivery has been delayed a year, and
> > projections are for another year. It's OK; I want them to get it
> > right; not rush it out the door. It may not be the best, and for the
> > past 3 years, I've been at Oshkosh and Sun-n-Fun looking at other LSAs,
> > and indeed, there are competitors of interest. I'm considering my options.
> > You all seem to bash the fact that most of the plane is manufactured
> > in China and whimper about jobs going overseas. I just returned from 3
> > weeks in China, including visiting the China Aviation Pavilion at
> > World Expo Shanghai. Get your heads out of the sand. China is rapidly
> > on it's way to becoming a world force in aviation and has all the
> > potential to leave Boeing and Airbus in the dust. And not because they
> > are cheap; but because they are pros at manufacturing and increasingly
> > at design engineering. China is already the world leader in production
> > of energy products like wind generators, photovoltaics, thermal solar,
> > hydroelectric, bridges, as well as computers, cities and buildings.
> > They have 80 (!!!) high speed rail lines under construction right now.
> > Go see for yourself, or read James Fallows in The Atlantic or his
> > books. We sit around and bemoan our financial collapse and loss of
> > jobs, all self-inflicted, while China races ahead at a growth rate of
> > 10%/year -sustained. The Chinese study and work harder than any
> > culture, and the investment will pay off, big time. Most SLAs come
> > from Europe (east and west), including Russia and the Ukraine. Why no
> > complaints here about jobs going there? Why only bash jobs going to China?
> > Cessna is an American company (at least so far). There are only a few
> > US companies trying to enter and compete in the LSA market. Given the
> > realities of production, they only way they can compete is to
> > manufacture abroad; US production with high labor costs and runaway
> > benefits and labor laws cannot possibly provide competitive products
> > and pricing. Like it or not, that's the reality. Get used to it. The
> > reason I ordered a Cessna Skycatcher are many, not the least of which
> > is that it's still an US company, a venerable American tradition with
> > heritage planes that many of you still fly and are bonded with, and I
> > want to see Cessna survive. It's in America's interest. All of you,
> > it seems, just hang out here to bash Cessna and the Skycatcher. You
> > should be ashamed to have forgotten your mothers advice: "If you can't
> > find something nice to say, just be quiet". I'm all for criticism in
> > context (I just used it on you!), but you all are way overboard. Get a
> > life. Find something nice to say instead of just bashing. Michael
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