Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight problems, was: is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?

Jay and Richard,

 

Jay, I'm not sure if you have any trike time or not.  Dual functioning controls on a trike and an airplane can be interpreted a little differently.  Even airplanes don't necessarily have every single control available to the back seat pilot that are available in the front.  I interpret these regs to mean the controls critical to control the aircraft and avoid crashing.  We could debate this all day, but I do what I do, and no matter what, if someone gets hurt, some lawyer will try to figure out why it's my fault if he thinks that's where the money is.  I just accept that as part of aviation.  If a trike has training bars and a way for me to add power and go around, I'll do a checkride in it.  If you think that's wrong, that's your opinion and won't stop me from doing what I have chosen to do.  I gave a checkride in a Zodiac, for crying out loud.  haha. 

 

Richard, your comment about asking what the examiner is doing giving a checkride if he questions the students ability to control the aircraft.... He is evaluating the student's abilities to control the aircraft and exhibit good aeronautical judgment and his ability to perform to a standard.  I know you would like to get a license based on what you say your abilities are, but that just isn't going to happen.

 

Jim

 

From: Richard Williams

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 10:47 AM

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com< /A>

Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight problems, was: is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?

 

Jay,

Since you brought up 91.109,

I think I'll mention 61.45, which is much more pertinent to this discussion.
---------------------------
61.45 Practical tests:
Required aircraft and equipment
.
.
.
(c) Required controls
"..., unless the examiner determines that the practical test can be conducted safely in
the aircraft without the controls being easily reached."
---------------------------

This means that ground operation controls (steering and brake) are not required to be
available to the examiner.
This means the examiner does not have to have flight controls if the examiner
determines safety of the flight is adequate for the practical test.

BTW:
If the examiner thinks the student cannot control the aircraft, then what is the
examiner doing giving a Practical Test?

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.co m
Sent: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:15:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight problems, was: is everyone here to
bash Skycatchers?

> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 06:45:33AM -0400, Helen Woods wrote:
> > On 8/9/2010 12:52 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
> > > What is needed is an CFI to go through the SP maneuvers with me and sign me off
to
> > > visit a DPE for the oral and checkride.
> > > unfortunately, most seem to think that having steering controls in the back
seat is a
> > > big deal. Maybe so for a new student, but not needed with me.
> > You aren't going to find find a CFI willing to fly without dual
> > controls. Aside from the obvious personal safety concerns a CFI will
> > have, she is legally obligated to have them. If you remember, until you
> > have your certificate, your CFI is PIC and as such is solely responsible
> > for the safety of the flight. Its impossible to fulfill that duty
> > without access to the controls. Any court of law would likely find a CFI
> > negligent to tried to fulfill that duty without access to the controls.
>
> There's also the minor matter of 91.109(a), which begins:
>
> No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned free balloon) that
> is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft has fully
> functioning dual controls.
>
> It goes on to talk about throw-over yokes for instrument training and the
> like.
>
> Richard, you're going to have to install dual controls on your trike
> if you want to use it for instruction, period.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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