Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group SPL training - is a "club" ELSA possible?

Ya Know??,  I may be wrong in my thinking but, looking at the price of an LSA and looking at the price of one of the least expensive automobiles today, I see a big difference in price and a big difference in safty and engineering.. There is no way that any of the LSA craft for sale today at the rediculas prices listed, can come close to the value of the simplest auto.. Yet these simple autos must meet all the standard safty features required by the Federal Government. Yet these companies make money. An LSA craft is nothing different in any way than any other aircraft available on the market today,,with the exception,, that it is just a little lighter than usual and not as advanced..Actually speaking ,,they are made of modern materials that are supposed to be as safe or better than the older heavy metal craft made yesteryear..but I wonder.?      Looking at the prices of these LSA craft,,I see nothing but uncontroled greed and a total lack of ethics and morality by the companies and those who sell them. Pound for pound and design for design,, there is no justification for the price of these craft, other than  those listed. Even the lightest car out weights any LSA craft and more design work and safty features are included in the price. Yet none of these autos sell for  anywhere close to $70 thousand dollars unless one goes to exotic and unnecessary models that fan the ego.      One might say that Cars are a modern day necessity and an airplane is not but a toy made for fun.. I would say that is not true for some.   When cars were first introduced they were far from being a necessity and the prices Mr. Ford asked for was only a little more than the price of a new horse and wagon of the day..      Looking at the price of an LSA and the price of  instruction along with it's incedental cost,,, it has turned into nothing more than the old system that existed before the Ultralight movement.. So what is the Advantage here?? None I'd say,,just more of the same old,same old stuff and soon even LSA's will be a thing of the past..Killed by Greed and over pricing,,,over controlled and too many self important chiefs protected by the Government demanding gratuity.............I am saddened and disappointed at the thought..                                                                                                           Cajun Wes --- On Tue, 2/15/11, misportpilotrepair <brubakermal@yahoo.com> wrote: From: misportpilotrepair <brubakermal@yahoo.com> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group SPL training - is a "club" ELSA possible? To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 8:17 AM   There has been a lot of discussion, mostly positive, and it has all been interesting, much of it very helpful. From the Sport Pilot Instructors forum Phil Dietro, Arlynn McMahon, and a few others have discussed the options they have utilized. Thom Riddle has posted some inciteful questions and possible solutions. This is what we are looking for : other "outside the box" forward thinking groups or individuals who can help us generate a solution to the growing problem of SPCFI shortages and the costs involved in being able to operate. Arlynn has offered to share info regarding how an SPCFI might go about "affordably" operating without the backing of a "regular" flight school. This is not a sarcastic statement. Phil mentioned the addition of PPC & WS training - are there existing LODAs in force to provide for that training in ELSAs? Having come up through the ranks of Ultralight to Sport Pilot, I also know many new UL flyers who are desperate for training they can't get. Our focus is how to go about establishing an LLC and fractional ownership plan centered around ELSA craft & EABs to use for the additional purpose of training SP & UL student pilots; and making this information available to all SPCFIs. I have priced even the USED (aka- well flown) SLSAs, there aren't many available, and they are still in the $70,000 to $100,000 range. Not exactly within the "affordable" range of even a school with more than 1 instructor. There has been response from the NAFI (National Association of Flight Instructors) that has been on a positive note. They are very interested in working on this solution as well. As a group, Sport Pilot may simply need to do the same thing that other minorities have done in the past, Stand up, be counted, be recognized, and not take NO for an answer. It will take time. We all realize this. But with more of us working toward the same goal, we will obtain it sooner rather than later.

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