Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if Aircraft is really LSA

Good description, Lyle.  I'm amazed at the bandwidth devoted to this thread.  Thanks, Richard.  haha  What can a Sport Pilot fly?  A light Sport Aircraft, of course.  If it makes you feel better, you can call your Cub anything you want, but it does meet the parameters of what a Sport Pilot can fly and really, what else do we care about? 

 

Your point about privileges is a good analogy.  That's basically the difference between a Cub and a Kitfox.  A Sport Pilot can fly both but only one of them can be used to fly rides off the ice in the winter time for profit.  And the pilot who does that must be a Comm ASEL.  And when his Class II physical becomes a 12 months old, he can fly either as a Private Pilot, and when it expires completely he can fly either as a Sport Pilot. 

 

Jim

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Lyle Cox

To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:06 PM

Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if Aircraft is really LSA

 

Helen,

It's kind of like the difference between a private pilot operating under
sport pilot privileges. He is STILL a private pilot, not a sport pilot.
So, yes, technically, the Cub is a Light Sport Aircraft, but it is a Part 23
certificated airplane with all the "rights, privileges, etc" whatever those
are, as compared to the ASTM certified Light Sport Aircraft.

Lyle Cox

Fun Aero Sports, LLC
3344 Long Creek Drive
Fort Collins, CO 80528

970-631-3983
www.funaerosports.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Helen Woods
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:59 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if Aircraft is
really LSA

Actually Bob is correct. (I'm afraid the FARs trump Wikipedia.) -Helen

Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 1—DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS
§ 1.1 General definitions.

Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
meet the following:

(1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than—

(i) 1,320 pounds (600 kilograms) for aircraft not intended for operation
on water; or

(ii) 1,430 pounds (650 kilograms) for an aircraft intended for operation
on water.

(2) A maximum airspeed in level flight with maximum continuous power
(VH) of not more than 120 knots CAS under standard atmospheric
conditions at sea level.

(3) A maximum never-exceed speed (VNE) of not more than 120 knots CAS
for a glider.

(4) A maximum stalling speed or minimum steady flight speed without the
use of lift-enhancing devices (VS1) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the
aircraft's maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center
of gravity.

(5) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including
the pilot.

(6) A single, reciprocating engine, if powered.

(7) A fixed or ground-adjustable propeller if a powered aircraft other
than a powered glider.

(8) A fixed or autofeathering propeller system if a powered glider.

(9) A fixed-pitch, semi-rigid, teetering, two-blade rotor system, if a
gyroplane.

(10) A nonpressurized cabin, if equipped with a cabin.

(11) Fixed landing gear, except for an aircraft intended for operation
on water or a glider.

(12) Fixed or retractable landing gear, or a hull, for an aircraft
intended for operation on water.

(13) Fixed or retractable landing gear for a glider.

Lyle Cox wrote:
>
>
> Well…no..he is correct. Take for example the Ercoupe 415C, which is a
> part 23 certifcated aircraft. However, the 415C qualifies to be flown
> by a Sport Pilot, but that does not make it a Light Sport Aircraft.
>
> "In addition to aircraft specifically designed to meet the LSA
> requirements, certain certificated aircraft, such as the original
> Piper Cub <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_Cub>, happen to fall
> within the definition of a light-sport aircraft and can be operated by
> individuals holding FAA Sport Pilot certificates. The aircraft can not
> be re-certificated as LSA, however: although Sport Pilots may operate
> conventionally certificated aircraft that fall within the definition
> of an LSA, the aircraft themselves continue to be certificated in
> their original categories."
> …..Wikipedia….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-sport_aircraft
>
> The difference is, a part 23 certificated aircraft "complies" with the
> definition of light sport aircraft, but it is still a Part 23
> certificated aircraft, NOT a "Light Sport Aircraft" which is certified
> by ASTM standards.
>
> Lyle Cox
>
> Fun Aero Sports Logo
>
> Fun Aero Sports, LLC
>
> 3344 Long Creek Drive
>
> Fort Collins, CO 80528
>
> 970-631-3983
>
> www.funaerosports.com
>
> *From:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Comperini
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:32 PM
> *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group How to Tell if
> Aircraft is really LSA
>
> On 02:10 PM 10/10/2009, Richard Williams wrote:
>
> >Dongen,
> >
> >NO airplane that has been certificated as 'standard' catagory (or
> similar) can ever be a LSA.
>
> Whoah! not true at all. there are several standard category aircraft
> that are LSAs, and can be flown by a Sport Pilot
>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com <mailto:bob%40fly-ul.com>
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>
>
>
>

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