Jim,
When I got the airworthiness inspection for my trike at Rainbow Aviation, it was weight and loading, not weight and balance.
My paperwork says weight and loading.
The airworthiness packet from the EAA says weight and loading.
The form, part of the airworthiness inspection paper work, at:
<http://www.rainierultralightengines.com/form/trike%20weight%20and%20loading%20fillable%20rev2.pdf>
says weight and loading
R. Williams
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From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@SportAviationUnlimited.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:05:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
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> Hi Richard,
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> >From: Richard Williams
> >W&B on a trike!
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> Yes. Weight and balance on a trike. You say that like it's a surprise. I'm not sure what your exclamation mark means, but I think it means you are surprised.
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> >More likely W&L Weight and Loading.
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> Not really. The Weight and loading is easy. We add your weight, my weight, the fuel, and the trike, and see if it adds up to less than 992. It does. I can do that in my head. No, our concern is what you mentioned about the nose wheel hanging lower.
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> >The easiest way to check the 'angle of dangle' is to hang the trike from the hangblock connection. with no fuel and me in the front seat and you in the back.
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> Actually, that would most definitely *not* be the easiest way. What exactly would we hang the trike from and how? Yes, it would be a sure way of checking, but that is for people with no math skills. We're pilots, so we would simply perform a W&B calculation. We could do it in way less time than it would take someone to hang the trike up somewhere.
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> >How do you do the calculations?
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> All of that information is available in any basic "How to be a pilot" textbook and in the study guides for taking the written test so I won't retype it all here. If you haven't taken the written yet, you'll probably be getting a written exam study guide and you'll find it all laid out there. There should be W&B paperwork with your trike as well that provides the info necessary for doing the calculations. And you may get a question exactly like this on your oral, so be ready for it. Warning: "Hang the trike up" will not be a satisfactory answer.
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> Jim
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@SportAviati
> To: <Sport_Aircraft@
> Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:25:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
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> > Richard,
> > Obviously if a W&B calc is performed and the nose wheel would be hanging below the mains, that is an unworkable situation. I haven't done the math, but off the top of my head I would think you could fly my trike. If it turns out that it is close and you have to fly in your birthday suit, no worries. I have a Canon 5D with a really nice lens and my kids can take good pictures. Your checkride will definitely be a Kodak moment. haha We would definitely have some material for the cover of some flying magazine somewhere.
> >
> > Seriously, I'll do some math if you are serious about doing a checkride but unfortunately that would involve you traveling all the way to see me in Wisconsin. Let me know if I can help.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Williams
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@
> > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
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> >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > First it would not be my word, it would be the word of the instructor that referred me to the examiner.
> >
> > I weight ~300 pounds in my birthday suit.
> > Add street clothes, helmet, flight suit, etc and the total is more like 320 pounds.
> >
> > R. Williams
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@SportAviati
> > To: <Sport_Aircraft@
> > Sent: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 23:13:24 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard,
> > > Just how large are you? You can contact me off list if you would like. I've flown with some pretty large guys. Before you get upset about the "dual controls" requirement, let me say that if you have not had the experience of riding in some people's back seat who you "think" should already know how to fly, please be tolerant of the seeming paranoia from the crowd who think dual controls is a good idea. Their paranoia comes from experience. Please trust me on this one. I'm pretty confident in my abilities and I've done some questionable checkrides that I guarantee the applicant would have not gotten from their local FSDO had they asked. (That's why I questioned your weight. I do my best to help people achieve their goals.) I have also experienced some, how should I say this, experiences that examiners think their applicants shouldn't put them through. In other words, I have had to take the aircraft to avoid crashing. So as much as an examiner would love to take your word for the fact that you can fly just fine, please understand the need for dual controls. Which on a trike we have yet to define. Should be fun.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Williams
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@
> > > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > That makes the chances of my EVER getting the SP certificate and zero having the same probability.
> > >
> > > R. Williams
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: Bob Comperini <bob@fly-ul.com>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@
> > > Sent: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:45:12 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Universally, so far, they have all required performing the test in a dual control trike, preferably their own trike
> > > >
> > > > Having dual controls is a requirement for the aircraft being used for the practical exam. The examiner has no choice in the matter.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bob Comperini
> > > > e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
> > > > WWW: http://www.fly-
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