Jim,
I have training/buddy bars for the wing.
On my trike, your not missing anything by not being able to use the brake.
It is a drum brake on the front wheel, Mostly useless. Will not hold the trike still for a run-up of the engine to 3000 (max engine rpm of 5500) for the mag check.
I consider foot throttle+foot steering to be all the trike carriage dual controls needed.
The front brake has been apart/cleaned several times. It does not seem to help.
R. Williams
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From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@SportAviationUnlimited.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 08:37:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Was Transponders now Dual Controls
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> I'm not sure if you mean steerable nose wheel or wing training bars, but either way, yes, I want both. I used to train with training bars only and no throttle. No more.
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> However, full dual controls would include everything the front seat pilot has. My trike has steering, foot throttle, and training bars on the wing. Would you consider that to be dual controls? I have no brakes in the back, and I can't reach the ignition switch to turn the engine off in an emergency. So, do I really have dual controls? How about a hand throttle reachable from the back seat? Does that count, knowing full well that sometimes both hands are suddenly full with taking the wing and you'd really like to be stepping on the gas as well? These are the thoughts instructors and examiners have when they are sitting in the back seat, trusting the student to react correctly.
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> Jim
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Williams
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Was Transponders now Dual Controls
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> Jim,
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> My understanding of 'dual controls' for a trike means steering and throttle.
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> R. Williams
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> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Jim Bair" <JimBair@SportAviationUnlimited. com>
> To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:58:09 -0500
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Was Transponders now Dual Controls
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> > Bob,
> > This raises an interesting question. Define "dual controls". I would suggest that the requirement you cite basically gives an examiner an out, because ultimately, he can do whatever he's comfortable with, and the dual control requirement allows him to bow out gracefully. My Super Decathlon and my helicopter have dual controls. I have yet to fly a trike that has full dual controls. I'm sure some exist. I just haven't been lucky enough to fly one.
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> > Jim
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> > >Universally, so far, they have all required performing the test in a dual control trike, preferably their own trike
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> > Having dual controls is a requirement for the aircraft being used for the practical exam. The examiner has no choice in the matter.
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> > --
> > Bob Comperini
> > e-mail: bob@fly-ul.com
> > WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
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