BS Manufacturing Engineering, 16 year member of the SOciety of Manufacturing engineers.
I trained many while I watched good paying jobs making everything from Semiconductors to toothbrushes get outsourced to China. Now, when the guy making paint brushes gets off work, he does not go down to the local bar and have a beer and pump his discretionary income into the US economy, he buys rice wine and noodles in Shanghai or Beijing or Xiaman and injects his discretionary income into the Chinese economy.
Thats why we have like (real) 20% unemployment in the US and China is growing. Great for the AMERICAN companies who earn profits regardless of where they sell the products (overseas or in the US)...I mean really, who cares where the IPOD gets sold? I do!
I love general aviation and flying. I cannot afford to fly right now because I am unemployed. Double degreed engineer with an MBA and I am out of work. I earn more drawing unemployment than I could get flipping burgers so why go do that?
As for Chinese airplanes? The very first Brushless electric airplane is already flying in China! Imagine that! Why the heck didn't that innovation happen here? Because there is no money in it!
As an engineer, I am scared to death of flying in a plane made of Chinese materials. Their steel is substandard, they re-cycle excess plastics into everything to get rid of waste (should be no more than 10% to 90% virgin) especially in structural stuff and that's where product liability (there is none in China) gets bad.
It seems this forum is more about background static than actual aviation topics like getting a medical after a stroke. Corrective vision when yours goes bad. Flying safely. I'd rather spend my time on a site that has no real content than read this stuff like on www.barnstormerz.com. Thanks...its been real.
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <yahoo@...> wrote:
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> Why do you care what faceless internet "experts" think?
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> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Michael Luttrell <travlin22002@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I'm off base, but it seems to me that ALL of you are here primarily to bash Cessna and Skycatchers! I just galloped through 6 months of messages, and could not find one positive comment.
> > I joined this list because I actually have a 162 on order; anybody else?
> > As you are surely aware, delivery has been delayed a year, and projections are for another year. It's OK; I want them to get it right; not rush it out the door. It may not be the best, and for the past 3 years, I've been at Oshkosh and Sun-n-Fun looking at other LSAs, and indeed, there are competitors of interest. I'm considering my options.
> > You all seem to bash the fact that most of the plane is manufactured in China and whimper about jobs going overseas. I just returned from 3 weeks in China, including visiting the China Aviation Pavilion at World Expo Shanghai. Get your heads out of the sand. China is rapidly on it's way to becoming a world force in aviation and has all the potential to leave Boeing and Airbus in the dust. And not because they are cheap; but because they are pros at manufacturing and increasingly at design engineering. China is already the world leader in production of energy products like wind generators, photovoltaics, thermal solar, hydroelectric, bridges, as well as computers, cities and buildings. They have 80 (!!!) high speed rail lines under construction right now. Go see for yourself, or read James Fallows in The Atlantic or his books. We sit around and bemoan our financial collapse and loss of jobs, all self-inflicted, while China races ahead at a growth rate of
> > 10%/year -sustained. The Chinese study and work harder than any culture, and the investment will pay off, big time.
> > Most SLAs come from Europe (east and west), including Russia and the Ukraine. Why no complaints here about jobs going there? Why only bash jobs going to China?
> > Cessna is an American company (at least so far). There are only a few US companies trying to enter and compete in the LSA market. Given the realities of production, they only way they can compete is to manufacture abroad; US production with high labor costs and runaway benefits and labor laws cannot possibly provide competitive products and pricing. Like it or not, that's the reality. Get used to it.
> > The reason I ordered a Cessna Skycatcher are many, not the least of which is that it's still an US company, a venerable American tradition with heritage planes that many of you still fly and are bonded with, and I want to see Cessna survive. It's in America's interest.
> > All of you, it seems, just hang out here to bash Cessna and the Skycatcher. You should be ashamed to have forgotten your mothers advice: "If you can't find something nice to say, just be quiet". I'm all for criticism in context (I just used it on you!), but you all are way overboard. Get a life. Find something nice to say instead of just bashing.
> > Michael
> >
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