You own an Aerotrek aircraft don't you?
Steve
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Orpe" <garyo@...> wrote:
>
> Changing the subject line since has little to do with the Skyscraper.
>
> For reference I have had 580 lbs of meat in my cockpit and still under
> gross. I have pictures. That would be over on the C162.
>
> Gary Orpe
>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> ->[mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams
> ->Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:47 AM
> ->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> ->Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight
> ->problems, was: is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?
> ->
> ->
> ->Jay,
> ->
> ->Since you brought up 91.109,
> ->
> ->I think I'll mention 61.45, which is much more pertinent to
> ->this discussion.
> ->---------------------------
> ->61.45 Practical tests:
> ->Required aircraft and equipment
> ->.
> ->.
> ->.
> ->(c) Required controls
> ->"..., unless the examiner determines that the practical test
> ->can be conducted safely in
> ->the aircraft without the controls being easily reached."
> ->---------------------------
> ->
> ->This means that ground operation controls (steering and
> ->brake) are not required to be
> ->available to the examiner.
> ->This means the examiner does not have to have flight controls
> ->if the examiner
> ->determines safety of the flight is adequate for the practical test.
> ->
> ->BTW:
> ->If the examiner thinks the student cannot control the
> ->aircraft, then what is the
> ->examiner doing giving a Practical Test?
> ->
> ->R. Williams
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->---------- Original Message -----------
> ->From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...>
> ->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> ->Sent: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:15:15 -0500
> ->Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight
> ->problems, was: is everyone here to
> ->bash Skycatchers?
> ->
> ->> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 06:45:33AM -0400, Helen Woods wrote:
> ->> > On 8/9/2010 12:52 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
> ->> > > What is needed is an CFI to go through the SP maneuvers
> ->with me and sign me off
> ->to
> ->> > > visit a DPE for the oral and checkride.
> ->> > > unfortunately, most seem to think that having
> ->steering controls in the back
> ->seat is a
> ->> > > big deal. Maybe so for a new student, but not needed with me.
> ->> > You aren't going to find find a CFI willing to fly without dual
> ->> > controls. Aside from the obvious personal safety
> ->concerns a CFI will
> ->> > have, she is legally obligated to have them. If you
> ->remember, until you
> ->> > have your certificate, your CFI is PIC and as such is
> ->solely responsible
> ->> > for the safety of the flight. Its impossible to fulfill
> ->that duty
> ->> > without access to the controls. Any court of law would
> ->likely find a CFI
> ->> > negligent to tried to fulfill that duty without access to
> ->the controls.
> ->>
> ->> There's also the minor matter of 91.109(a), which begins:
> ->>
> ->> No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned
> ->free balloon) that
> ->> is being used for flight instruction unless that aircraft has fully
> ->> functioning dual controls.
> ->>
> ->> It goes on to talk about throw-over yokes for instrument
> ->training and the
> ->> like.
> ->>
> ->> Richard, you're going to have to install dual controls on
> ->your trike
> ->> if you want to use it for instruction, period.
> ->> --
> ->> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
> ->> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> ->> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> ->> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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