RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Weight problems...

Well true, used to be called EuroFox not so long ago. The useful load is 585
lbs.
PHOTO:
http://tinyurl.com/2c7ndje

Granted, 15 minutes of flight or so. But no way in the 162. May even hurt
the all aluminum frame (or construction) in that one. Who knows?

Gary Orpe

->-----Original Message-----
->From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
->[mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wj18001900
->Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:19 PM
->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
->Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Weight problems...
->
->
->Gary,
->
->You own an Aerotrek aircraft don't you?
->
->Steve
->
->
->--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Orpe" <garyo@...> wrote:
->>
->> Changing the subject line since has little to do with the
->Skyscraper.
->>
->> For reference I have had 580 lbs of meat in my cockpit and
->still under
->> gross. I have pictures. That would be over on the C162.
->>
->> Gary Orpe
->>
->> ->-----Original Message-----
->> ->From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
->> ->[mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
->Richard Williams
->> ->Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:47 AM
->> ->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
->> ->Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight
->> ->problems, was: is everyone here to bash Skycatchers?
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->Jay,
->> ->
->> ->Since you brought up 91.109,
->> ->
->> ->I think I'll mention 61.45, which is much more pertinent to
->> ->this discussion.
->> ->---------------------------
->> ->61.45 Practical tests:
->> ->Required aircraft and equipment
->> ->.
->> ->.
->> ->.
->> ->(c) Required controls
->> ->"..., unless the examiner determines that the practical test
->> ->can be conducted safely in
->> ->the aircraft without the controls being easily reached."
->> ->---------------------------
->> ->
->> ->This means that ground operation controls (steering and
->> ->brake) are not required to be
->> ->available to the examiner.
->> ->This means the examiner does not have to have flight controls
->> ->if the examiner
->> ->determines safety of the flight is adequate for the
->practical test.
->> ->
->> ->BTW:
->> ->If the examiner thinks the student cannot control the
->> ->aircraft, then what is the
->> ->examiner doing giving a Practical Test?
->> ->
->> ->R. Williams
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->---------- Original Message -----------
->> ->From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@...>
->> ->To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
->> ->Sent: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 06:15:15 -0500
->> ->Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Weight
->> ->problems, was: is everyone here to
->> ->bash Skycatchers?
->> ->
->> ->> On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 06:45:33AM -0400, Helen Woods wrote:
->> ->> > On 8/9/2010 12:52 AM, Richard Williams wrote:
->> ->> > > What is needed is an CFI to go through the SP maneuvers
->> ->with me and sign me off
->> ->to
->> ->> > > visit a DPE for the oral and checkride.
->> ->> > > unfortunately, most seem to think that having
->> ->steering controls in the back
->> ->seat is a
->> ->> > > big deal. Maybe so for a new student, but not
->needed with me.
->> ->> > You aren't going to find find a CFI willing to fly
->without dual
->> ->> > controls. Aside from the obvious personal safety
->> ->concerns a CFI will
->> ->> > have, she is legally obligated to have them. If you
->> ->remember, until you
->> ->> > have your certificate, your CFI is PIC and as such is
->> ->solely responsible
->> ->> > for the safety of the flight. Its impossible to fulfill
->> ->that duty
->> ->> > without access to the controls. Any court of law would
->> ->likely find a CFI
->> ->> > negligent to tried to fulfill that duty without access to
->> ->the controls.
->> ->>
->> ->> There's also the minor matter of 91.109(a), which begins:
->> ->>
->> ->> No person may operate a civil aircraft (except a manned
->> ->free balloon) that
->> ->> is being used for flight instruction unless that
->aircraft has fully
->> ->> functioning dual controls.
->> ->>
->> ->> It goes on to talk about throw-over yokes for instrument
->> ->training and the
->> ->> like.
->> ->>
->> ->> Richard, you're going to have to install dual controls on
->> ->your trike
->> ->> if you want to use it for instruction, period.
->> ->> --
->> ->> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL, CFI-SP http://www.conmicro.com
->> ->> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
->> ->> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
->> ->> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
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