But people generally do not die from landing with gear up and also from controlled landing in water (I think).
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> Abid, about 370 people get struck by lightning every year in the United
> States as well. I don't carry a personal lightning rod around either.
>
> Don't get me wrong, BRS's have there place - for flying over large
> expanses of forest, flying lots of hard IMC, or flying at night. Most
> people just don't do much of any of those things in a light sport seaplane.
>
> On the other hand, pilots landing with incorrect gear position - regular
> occurrence. Pilots landing seaplanes on water, regular occurrence. I
> think its much more important to mitigate the risk of being trapped
> underwater in your seaplane than a mid air collision in your seaplane.
>
> Helen
>
> On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> >
> >
> > Helen,
> > Watch this please:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk
> >
> > Mid air collision in light single engine aircraft about 30 days or so
> > ago in Virginia with two killed:
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231
> > <Helen,%20Watch%20this%20please:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk%20%20Mid%20air%20collision%20about%2030%20days%20or%20so%20ago%20in%20Virginia:%20http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231>
> >
> >
> > Mid air between an F-16 and a Cessna near Bradenton, FL
> > http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision
> >
> > Mid air near Co in Feb 2010
> > http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html
> >
> > etc. etc.
> >
> > Abid
> >
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
> > <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Helen,
> > > There have been two midair in Tampa Bay region alone in the last 5
> > years. The weakest link is still the pilot and pilots do some stuff
> > that defies gravity (literally).
> > > Abid
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods Helen_Woods@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Engine failure = glide straight ahead and land in a field or in
> > the water
> > > > Prop failure = kill the ignitions (Rotax does not windmill), glide
> > > > straight ahead and land in a field or in the water
> > > > IMC = Execute 180 degree turn
> > > > Bird strike so sever as to cause the plane to crash or disabled
> > pilot =
> > > > remote possibility I would put in the same category of risk midair or
> > > > wings falling off
> > > >
> > > > A much more realistic risk is a gear down water landing causing the
> > > > plane to flip and sink.
> > > >
> > > > These are just my opinions. Take them or leave them.
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, medicbill@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What about an engine failure, prop failure at altitude? Or those
> > who
> > > > > fly into IMC and are not instrument rated and become
> > disoriented? Or
> > > > > how about bird strikes or disabled pilot?
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2011 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > > Helen_Woods@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > I will concede the remote possibility that if a wing fell off or a
> > > > > midair collision occurred bellow 1000' that the pilot may have
> > > > > presence
> > > > > of mind to quickly enough recognize his situation and deploy the
> > > > > chute
> > > > > before landing in the water but I still say it is impractical. Most
> > > > > seaplane pilots are flying below 1000' over water. The chances of
> > > > > a mid
> > > > > air at that altitude are remote and the chances of a factory built
> > > > > plane
> > > > > suddenly having the wings fall off (Zodiac excepted) are even more
> > > > > remote. Why would one total the airframe's structural integrity and
> > > > > risk landing in an unusual attitude from a chute deployment both of
> > > > > which increase the chances of sinking, rather than just landing
> > > > > straight
> > > > > ahead in the water?
> > > > >
> > > > > Helen
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/31/2011 8:34 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> > > > > > Below 1000 feet BRS is useless??
> > > > > > Where, how, who do you come up with that. Generally speaking a
> > > > > BRS may open in as little as 300 feet. In fact I know of a sea
> > > > > trike going down due to a bad wing sail repair after a previous
> > > > > under water encounter and on this second one they opened their BRS
> > > > > at around 500 feet and survived though hurt. According to them if
> > > > > I remember the BRS opened just enough to make the water impact
> > softer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Abid
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Helen Wrote:
> > > > > > SeaReys have a sliding canopy and Aventuras are open or have
> > > > > pop-open windows. Interestingly enough, just about every SeaRey
> > > > > pilot I know has sunk their plane at least once with a gear down
> > > > > water landing and swum away. By contrast, I looked at a Gannet a
> > > > > few years back at OSH. The salesman gear downed it and drowned a
> > > > > few months after I spoke with him. I'm not flying it unless I have
> > > > > a way to escape.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for the BRS, most seaplane flying is done below 1000' where a
> > > > > BRS isn't going to be of any use and there's plenty of runway all
> > > > > about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Helen
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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