there for under 100K. One that comes to mind is the Aerotrek that comes
as either a tail dragger or tricycle version factory built, not
experimental for 80K well equipped. I saw them at Oshkosh last year.
Very nice planes. Actually talked with a guy who owns an FBO and he was
looking to purchase one for his operation. Also what about Pipistrel?
Very good line of aircraft with a trainer around 83K depending on
fluctuation.
Right now the 30-40 year old beaten up 6 pack152's have the price
advantage over the glass panel LSA's but you will see that start to go
away in a few years as more used ones come on the market. I know people
are going to think I am full of it but the one thing with LSA is many
come with BRS and with a lot of people who are unsure about learning to
fly just the idea of that being in the aircraft may tip the balance on
their decision to plunk down the money. I just believe FBO's have to be
creative when it comes to training more sport pilots and then working
with them after they get their ticket to make sure they have planes
available to fly such as lease backs or sitting up flying clubs.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Censor <acensor@fastmail.fm>
To: Sport_Aircraft <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:07 am
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA for rent without
renters, or renters...
Hi Bill,
Hi Gary,
You have a point that lack-of-vision and mentality/intention to
vigorously support sport pilot on the part of some flight schools
surely is a factor leading to the lack of places a sport pilot can
train let alone rent.
And, yes, to an FBO having an LSA trainer or rental that can fly for 4
gallons an hour or less, compared to a Cessna that burns 8 or more per
your, is a real plus for students and renters, and thus for the FBO.
But in the example I gave of my local FBO/flight school, they _ARE_
enthusiastic about training sport pilots.
As they said, it's simple economics:
It doesn't make economic sense for them to spend even what you called
the "LSA's out there that make good trainers for under 100k."
And when you wrote "you can find LSA's out there that make good
trainers for under 100k," two things came to mind:
1) "under $100K" is still a _far_ cry from the $25 to $40K a flight
school can easily pick up a very nice condition Cessna 152, etc.
2) Most, if not all, of the admittedly _very_ nice LSAs I see for sale
used under $80K are experimentals. (I just did a search on
Barnstormers).
And you can't use experimentals or amateur builts as trainers in an FBO.
(A CFI/FBO can train you in YOUR experimental LSA but he/she can't OWN
one and use it as a trainer or rental aircraft.)
Back to the bottom line as far as I can see:
With the exception of wanna-be sport pilots luck enough to live near
some of the very few FBOs with LSA trainers and rental aircraft,
and/or the few with enough budget to go out and buy or build their own
LSA, Sport Pilot isn't much of an attractive option and hasn't
increased the number of pilots up there flying. I'll go on record as
predicting it won't. And I'd safely be willing to bet you big dollars
that any number of NEW pilots added to the pilot population licensed as
sport pilots from this point on will be more than offset by the
reduction of new ultralight pilots coming into the ultralight pilot
population.
My two cents.
Alex
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