schools don't own "their" airplanes. Most flight school planes,
especially anything new with a reasonable hull value, are on leaseback
for the simple reason that flight schools generally have the cash to buy
new planes. (And don't even get me going on financing for flight
schools...) It is generally not a matter of them picking an LSA for the
school as much as their customers buying an LSA and putting it on
leaseback at the school. If you have a favorite LSA that you think your
local flight school really needs, then your best bet it to buy it or
find someone else to buy it and offer it for leaseback there.
Helen
On 4/17/2012 12:15 PM, medicbill@aol.com wrote:
> While I understand as far as economics part there are good trainers out
> there for under 100K. One that comes to mind is the Aerotrek that comes
> as either a tail dragger or tricycle version factory built, not
> experimental for 80K well equipped. I saw them at Oshkosh last year.
> Very nice planes. Actually talked with a guy who owns an FBO and he was
> looking to purchase one for his operation. Also what about Pipistrel?
> Very good line of aircraft with a trainer around 83K depending on
> fluctuation.
>
> Right now the 30-40 year old beaten up 6 pack152's have the price
> advantage over the glass panel LSA's but you will see that start to go
> away in a few years as more used ones come on the market. I know people
> are going to think I am full of it but the one thing with LSA is many
> come with BRS and with a lot of people who are unsure about learning to
> fly just the idea of that being in the aircraft may tip the balance on
> their decision to plunk down the money. I just believe FBO's have to be
> creative when it comes to training more sport pilots and then working
> with them after they get their ticket to make sure they have planes
> available to fly such as lease backs or sitting up flying clubs.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Censor<acensor@fastmail.fm>
> To: Sport_Aircraft<Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2012 8:07 am
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA for rent without
> renters, or renters...
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>
> Hi Bill,
> Hi Gary,
>
> You have a point that lack-of-vision and mentality/intention to
> vigorously support sport pilot on the part of some flight schools
> surely is a factor leading to the lack of places a sport pilot can
> train let alone rent.
> And, yes, to an FBO having an LSA trainer or rental that can fly for 4
> gallons an hour or less, compared to a Cessna that burns 8 or more per
> your, is a real plus for students and renters, and thus for the FBO.
>
> But in the example I gave of my local FBO/flight school, they _ARE_
> enthusiastic about training sport pilots.
> As they said, it's simple economics:
> It doesn't make economic sense for them to spend even what you called
> the "LSA's out there that make good trainers for under 100k."
>
> And when you wrote "you can find LSA's out there that make good
> trainers for under 100k," two things came to mind:
> 1) "under $100K" is still a _far_ cry from the $25 to $40K a flight
> school can easily pick up a very nice condition Cessna 152, etc.
> 2) Most, if not all, of the admittedly _very_ nice LSAs I see for sale
> used under $80K are experimentals. (I just did a search on
> Barnstormers).
> And you can't use experimentals or amateur builts as trainers in an FBO.
> (A CFI/FBO can train you in YOUR experimental LSA but he/she can't OWN
> one and use it as a trainer or rental aircraft.)
>
>
> Back to the bottom line as far as I can see:
> With the exception of wanna-be sport pilots luck enough to live near
> some of the very few FBOs with LSA trainers and rental aircraft,
> and/or the few with enough budget to go out and buy or build their own
> LSA, Sport Pilot isn't much of an attractive option and hasn't
> increased the number of pilots up there flying. I'll go on record as
> predicting it won't. And I'd safely be willing to bet you big dollars
> that any number of NEW pilots added to the pilot population licensed as
> sport pilots from this point on will be more than offset by the
> reduction of new ultralight pilots coming into the ultralight pilot
> population.
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
> Alex
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