Monday, September 28, 2009

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft



I think the discrepancy may be in how you are asking the question, or maybe how the question is being heard.
If they think you're asking about whether the lighting coil can be considered an engine-driven generator, then they are prepared to tell you exactly what the FSDO's letter you posted said: yes, it's an engine driven electrical system and the transponder is required.
If you asked specifically about an airplane without any wiring you'd would have been given the answer in your letter: that all the other parts are required before it can be considered a "system".
 
Glad to hear this, one more bit of mis-information put to rest.
Thanks,
Rick
 
 

 

Hi Rick,
Yes and the people I have been asking at AFS610 have been telling me otherwise (meaning pull start and my hanger mate needs to have transponder thing) and some may still tell me that I am sure if I call them but with this paper printed out, I don't think they can hold water against you don't have to have a transponder. Definitely a good thing :)
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
> So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
> I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apollonorthamerica
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
>
>
> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
> <http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

Hi Rick,
Yes and the people I have been asking at AFS610 have been telling me otherwise (meaning pull start and my hanger mate needs to have transponder thing) and some may still tell me that I am sure if I call them but with this paper printed out, I don't think they can hold water against you don't have to have a transponder. Definitely a good thing :)
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
> So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
> I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
>
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apollonorthamerica
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft
>
>
> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
> <http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft



Hey Abid, that's a good explanation of what we have been talking about.
So it looks like you were mistaken about the coil being considered an electrical system. Good!
I hope you'll show that to the other flyers at your field. They'll probably be real happy to hear that they DON'T have to install electrical systems in their simple little NORDO flying machines... that's a GOOD thing ;)
 
Rick
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

 

Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
<http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>

Best,
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > >Abid
> >
> > oh... it was verbal?
> > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > they're written on.
> > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> >
> > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> >
> > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > electrical systems,
> > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
>



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Sunday, September 27, 2009

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

That letter sounds a LOT like what I said a while back - a ligntning coil does not
an "electrical system" make.

Bill Watson
bill@part103.org


---------- Original Message -----------
From: "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 01:54:19 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

> Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from
> a local FSDO and hey it would count. <http://www.fly-
ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>
>
> Best,
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...>
wrote:
> >
> > Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> > Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool .
great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop
with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > > >Abid
> > >
> > > oh... it was verbal?
> > > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > > they're written on.
> > > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> > >
> > > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> > >
> > > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > > electrical systems,
> > > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft



That is excellent news and the last I knew, Van Stumpner did work in OKC so this consensus was reached in conference with OKC.  That is an excellent precedent and anyone who this applies to should print it out and keep a copy.  An official looking piece of paper always carries weight. :) 
 
Jim
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Transponders in NORDO aircraft

 

Actually I found something good. Its not from Oklahoma but its in writing from a local FSDO and hey it would count.
<http://www.fly-ul.com/transponder/Transponder.pdf>

Best,
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Peeing in someone elses pool ... what? huh?
> Someone asked so I answer what I know and that's peeing in someone elses pool . great. Michael Huffman should also then stop peeing pools. Michael, you better stop with that E-LSA course lest it gets considered peeing as well :).
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mikehuckle" <m230683@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I have also heard of your interpretation (understanding)
> > >but when I called Oklahoma, I got told something different.
> > >I will try it again and see what answer I get this time.
> > >Abid
> >
> > oh... it was verbal?
> > Verbal "interpretations" are hardly worth the paper
> > they're written on.
> > (and paper interpretations are not much better)
> > Best thing is to read the FAR, and make
> > a reasonable interpretation of it.
> >
> > These rules are not new, and as I see it they don't
> > change just because people started to fly with Rotax
> > engines which commonly have a "lighting coil" present.
> >
> > With regards "phoning Oklahoma again",
> > no good can come of that, and as you say,
> > *you* invariably build aircraft *with* engine-driven
> > electrical systems,
> > and it's of negligible interest to you,
> > so let's stop peeing in someone else's pool.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
>



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