Saturday, August 3, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group there is life after theft [2 Attachments]

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There is life after theft. I got a new engine and panel. Installed it and have fun giving rides to my grandkids.
 
 
 
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

In my case the thieves were in the hanger all night as it took a lot of time to dismantle an engine and remove the avionics panel. We are wise to this now and it won't happen again. Let me say there is security in the hanger. They will get caught and put them away for a long time as there is still serious punishment for tampering with any aircraft (up to 20 years in prison).

Ralph

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ralph,
>
> Watching will not stop the burglaries.
>
> You must catch the thief in the act.
>
> You may note that the laws all favor the thief.
> I.E. you cannot detain the thief
> you cannot harm the thief
> you cannot punish the thief.
> etc
>
> And the thief will treat the jail as an overnight, fully luxurious
> accommodation, with supplied meals, warm place to sleep, etc.
> Then out in the morning with no more than a warning/slap on the hand.
>
> the thief might accidentally hurt themselves, while in your hanger, through no
> fault of your actions.
> For instance, if you are a trapper and have a few open leg traps (which sadly
> are no long legal to use) but you might have some laying around the hanger as
> antiques.
>
> Another suggestion is using the services of something like ADT, costs
> ~50usd/month plus initial installation. Even then, what are you to do when the
> alarm goes off?
>
> Note: a thief is typically in and out in less than 4 minutes, so all remedies
> must happen during that time span.
> This means you cannot expect any help from the police, etc.
> And the police/court will throw out video evidence because the police did not
> personally see the thief in action.
>
> As I stated above, the laws favor the thief.
>
> R. Williams
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "Ralph" <rstar447@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 21:44:19 -0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft
>
> > Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give
> > you an idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by
> > thieves during weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about
> > others and want to spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from
> > our hanger just 2 years ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken
> > off my Kolb Kolbra one night. Let's get the word out that this kind of
> > activity is unacceptable and keep an eye out for people doing this to
> > our aircraft. If we keep watching, this kind of thing will stop.
> >
> > Ralph Burlingame
> > Kolb Kolbra
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" <rk911@> wrote:
> > >
> > > really sorry to hear about this. I hope the plane wasn't damaged in any way
> > > and maybe with a bit of luck one or more of the bad guys was injured during
> > > the burglary. really surprised to hear that the airport manager wasn't
> > > notified. I'd have thought that at the very least the tenant would have
> > > made the notification. my home airport is somewhat lax in security. I
> > > don't have hangar space but the door to the company hanger isn't locked and
> > > just about anyone can breeze thru the office at lunchtime without being seen
> > > or stopped. the company does have us lock the airplanes at the conclusion
> > > of our flight though. btw... the act of breaking in made it a felony all by
> > > itself.
> > >
> > >
> > > '73,
> > > rich, n9dko
> > > Whoever said you can't keep a good man down has never owned a couch.
> > > _________________________________
> > >  
> > > There has been a hangar burglary at the Anoka County-Blaine Airport. The
> > > hangar is located on the east side of the airport and is a typical 40 x 60
> > > building in very good condition. There is nothing to distinguish it as a
> > > likely target for burglars. It could have been any hangar on the airport.
> > > The service door was the point of access by lock picking tools. Obviously,
> > > the lock and deadbolt, both thoroughly reinforced, were no barrier. This
> > > could happen to any of us tonight!!!
> > >
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>




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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

Ralph,

Watching will not stop the burglaries.

You must catch the thief in the act.

You may note that the laws all favor the thief.
I.E. you cannot detain the thief
you cannot harm the thief
you cannot punish the thief.
etc

And the thief will treat the jail as an overnight, fully luxurious
accommodation, with supplied meals, warm place to sleep, etc.
Then out in the morning with no more than a warning/slap on the hand.

the thief might accidentally hurt themselves, while in your hanger, through no
fault of your actions.
For instance, if you are a trapper and have a few open leg traps (which sadly
are no long legal to use) but you might have some laying around the hanger as
antiques.

Another suggestion is using the services of something like ADT, costs
~50usd/month plus initial installation. Even then, what are you to do when the
alarm goes off?

Note: a thief is typically in and out in less than 4 minutes, so all remedies
must happen during that time span.
This means you cannot expect any help from the police, etc.
And the police/court will throw out video evidence because the police did not
personally see the thief in action.

As I stated above, the laws favor the thief.

R. Williams


---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Ralph" <rstar447@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 21:44:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

> Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give
> you an idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by
> thieves during weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about
> others and want to spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from
> our hanger just 2 years ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken
> off my Kolb Kolbra one night. Let's get the word out that this kind of
> activity is unacceptable and keep an eye out for people doing this to
> our aircraft. If we keep watching, this kind of thing will stop.
>
> Ralph Burlingame
> Kolb Kolbra
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" <rk911@...> wrote:
> >
> > really sorry to hear about this. I hope the plane wasn't damaged in any way
> > and maybe with a bit of luck one or more of the bad guys was injured during
> > the burglary. really surprised to hear that the airport manager wasn't
> > notified. I'd have thought that at the very least the tenant would have
> > made the notification. my home airport is somewhat lax in security. I
> > don't have hangar space but the door to the company hanger isn't locked and
> > just about anyone can breeze thru the office at lunchtime without being seen
> > or stopped. the company does have us lock the airplanes at the conclusion
> > of our flight though. btw... the act of breaking in made it a felony all by
> > itself.
> >
> >
> > '73,
> > rich, n9dko
> > Whoever said you can't keep a good man down has never owned a couch.
> > _________________________________
> >  
> > There has been a hangar burglary at the Anoka County-Blaine Airport. The
> > hangar is located on the east side of the airport and is a typical 40 x 60
> > building in very good condition. There is nothing to distinguish it as a
> > likely target for burglars. It could have been any hangar on the airport.
> > The service door was the point of access by lock picking tools. Obviously,
> > the lock and deadbolt, both thoroughly reinforced, were no barrier. This
> > could happen to any of us tonight!!!
> >
------- End of Original Message -------



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

These are all valid points except that most hanger burglaries are done at night when nobody is around. In the past, most folks would not dream of messing around with someone's aircraft, but today people have become very bold and brazen. Even more dangerous is someone who knows airplanes and how to dismantle them. This was the case in my theft. The thieves that stole my 912 knew exactly what to do and how to do it.

Ralph

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" <rk911@...> wrote:
>
> hangars have electricity so owners should start installing wireless cameras
> in them as well as on the outside. might not stop the thieves but it might
> help to identify them. saw a "reality" show on cable last night...something
> called Airplane Repo. about pilot/repo man teams tracking and reposessing
> airplanes. one segment showed the team just walking around a small airport
> looking into hangars and so forth as they searched for the target plane.
> and all of this was unchallenged by anyone at the airport. now I know this
> program is not really reality and the other folks at the airport could
> clearly see the camera crews, etc. but I suspect that most people at small
> airports do not know the faces of the other legitimate users of that airport
> and thus cannot tell if a stranger belongs or doesn't.. just like a lot of
> us don't know our next door neighbors or neighbors from several houses down
> or across the satreet. you get the point. and when we do see someone that
> doesn't belong or looks out of place we are reluctant to challenge or to
> make a call to the local police. I spent 35-years working public safety and
> spoke with a LOT of people who recalled seeing a stranger lurking around
> their next door neighbor's house but didn't think to call 9-1-1 only to find
> out too late that their neighbors had been burglarized. I recall one
> incident where the bad guys backed up a ryder rental truck and took
> everything that wasn't nailed down. the neighbors thought the family was
> moving. had they hadn't gotten to know those folks they would've known that
> they weren't moving. the point is...get to know your hangar neighbors
> andif you see someone who doesn't look right or like they belong call 9-1-1
> and have the police check them out.
>
>
> '73,
> rich, n9dko
> "Here's a household hint: If you stop dusting you can use your coffee table
> as a message board.
> _______________________
> Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give you an
> idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by thieves during
> weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about others and want to
> spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from our hanger just 2 years
> ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken off my Kolb Kolbra one night.
> Let's get the word out that this kind of activity is unacceptable and keep
> an eye out for people doing this to our aircraft. If we keep watching, this
> kind of thing will stop.
>




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Friday, August 2, 2013

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft



The fact is the majority of small airports have ZERO security.
Also a fact is pilots are unwilling to pay for said security.

My other hobby is racing and you can't believe how many racers are
unwilling to pay $20 a month for a trailer tracking service.
Then their trailer and race car is stolen and they act shocked. wtf?
Guess people figure it's not an issue until it effects them.

If your aircraft is not secure, then why not? You waiting for something to happen
before you insist on better security of some kind?

Bob

 



From: Richard Bauer <rk911@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

 
hangars have electricity so owners should start installing wireless cameras
in them as well as on the outside. might not stop the thieves but it might
help to identify them. saw a "reality" show on cable last night...something
called Airplane Repo. about pilot/repo man teams tracking and reposessing
airplanes. one segment showed the team just walking around a small airport
looking into hangars and so forth as they searched for the target plane.
and all of this was unchallenged by anyone at the airport. now I know this
program is not really reality and the other folks at the airport could
clearly see the camera crews, etc. but I suspect that most people at small
airports do not know the faces of the other legitimate users of that airport
and thus cannot tell if a stranger belongs or doesn't.. just like a lot of
us don't know our next door neighbors or neighbors from several houses down
or across the satreet. you get the point. and when we do see someone that
doesn't belong or looks out of place we are reluctant to challenge or to
make a call to the local police. I spent 35-years working public safety and
spoke with a LOT of people who recalled seeing a stranger lurking around
their next door neighbor's house but didn't think to call 9-1-1 only to find
out too late that their neighbors had been burglarized. I recall one
incident where the bad guys backed up a ryder rental truck and took
everything that wasn't nailed down. the neighbors thought the family was
moving. had they hadn't gotten to know those folks they would've known that
they weren't moving. the point is...get to know your hangar neighbors
andif you see someone who doesn't look right or like they belong call 9-1-1
and have the police check them out.

'73,
rich, n9dko
"Here's a household hint: If you stop dusting you can use your coffee table
as a message board.
_______________________
Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give you an
idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by thieves during
weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about others and want to
spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from our hanger just 2 years
ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken off my Kolb Kolbra one night.
Let's get the word out that this kind of activity is unacceptable and keep
an eye out for people doing this to our aircraft. If we keep watching, this
kind of thing will stop.





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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

hangars have electricity so owners should start installing wireless cameras
in them as well as on the outside. might not stop the thieves but it might
help to identify them. saw a "reality" show on cable last night...something
called Airplane Repo. about pilot/repo man teams tracking and reposessing
airplanes. one segment showed the team just walking around a small airport
looking into hangars and so forth as they searched for the target plane.
and all of this was unchallenged by anyone at the airport. now I know this
program is not really reality and the other folks at the airport could
clearly see the camera crews, etc. but I suspect that most people at small
airports do not know the faces of the other legitimate users of that airport
and thus cannot tell if a stranger belongs or doesn't.. just like a lot of
us don't know our next door neighbors or neighbors from several houses down
or across the satreet. you get the point. and when we do see someone that
doesn't belong or looks out of place we are reluctant to challenge or to
make a call to the local police. I spent 35-years working public safety and
spoke with a LOT of people who recalled seeing a stranger lurking around
their next door neighbor's house but didn't think to call 9-1-1 only to find
out too late that their neighbors had been burglarized. I recall one
incident where the bad guys backed up a ryder rental truck and took
everything that wasn't nailed down. the neighbors thought the family was
moving. had they hadn't gotten to know those folks they would've known that
they weren't moving. the point is...get to know your hangar neighbors
andif you see someone who doesn't look right or like they belong call 9-1-1
and have the police check them out.


'73,
rich, n9dko
"Here's a household hint: If you stop dusting you can use your coffee table
as a message board.
_______________________
Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give you an
idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by thieves during
weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about others and want to
spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from our hanger just 2 years
ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken off my Kolb Kolbra one night.
Let's get the word out that this kind of activity is unacceptable and keep
an eye out for people doing this to our aircraft. If we keep watching, this
kind of thing will stop.



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group another theft

Burglaries are on the rise here in the Minneapolis area. Just to give you an idea, there have been three wedding gift boxes stolen by thieves during weddings. It seems people just don't seem to care about others and want to spoil their day. There was over $25,500 stolen from our hanger just 2 years ago. The 912 engine and avionics were taken off my Kolb Kolbra one night. Let's get the word out that this kind of activity is unacceptable and keep an eye out for people doing this to our aircraft. If we keep watching, this kind of thing will stop.

Ralph Burlingame
Kolb Kolbra

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Bauer" <rk911@...> wrote:
>
> really sorry to hear about this. I hope the plane wasn't damaged in any way
> and maybe with a bit of luck one or more of the bad guys was injured during
> the burglary. really surprised to hear that the airport manager wasn't
> notified. I'd have thought that at the very least the tenant would have
> made the notification. my home airport is somewhat lax in security. I
> don't have hangar space but the door to the company hanger isn't locked and
> just about anyone can breeze thru the office at lunchtime without being seen
> or stopped. the company does have us lock the airplanes at the conclusion
> of our flight though. btw... the act of breaking in made it a felony all by
> itself.
>
>
> '73,
> rich, n9dko
> Whoever said you can't keep a good man down has never owned a couch.
> _________________________________
>  
> There has been a hangar burglary at the Anoka County-Blaine Airport. The
> hangar is located on the east side of the airport and is a typical 40 x 60
> building in very good condition. There is nothing to distinguish it as a
> likely target for burglars. It could have been any hangar on the airport.
> The service door was the point of access by lock picking tools. Obviously,
> the lock and deadbolt, both thoroughly reinforced, were no barrier. This
> could happen to any of us tonight!!!
>




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