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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

I wasn't trying to be too hard on the Cherokee, but with the olio gear it can make a bad arrival look like a passable landing. Where as the Cessna will kick you back up and make it apparent to all who are watching, you messed up. We had a guy transitioned in from a Cherokee to a Cessna in our flying club. He looked like a jack rabbit bounding down the field for the first few weeks till he learned how to set it down softly on that spring gear.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, <LyleCox@...> wrote:
>
> hey...easy on us Cherokee pilots...and by the way..i freely admit I could groundloop ANY taildragger in less than 30
> feet!!
>
>
>
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> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Marc <averys_98550@...>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video
> > Sent: Jun 09 '11 14:25
I'm not sure who came up with the idea that a Luscomb is such a dragon to land. Who ever it was he must have been a Cherokee pilot on his first conventional gear landings. I've flown the 8A, along with the 7AC, J3, and the Baby Great Lakes. Each have their own particular foibles, but I found the 8A to be a pussy cat, and undeserving of the reputation it seems to have. By far the most challanging of the bunch is the Baby, it hates wheel landings, and is so short coupled and narrow track that you have to really keep on top of it.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

hey...easy on us Cherokee pilots...and by the way..i freely admit I could groundloop ANY taildragger in less than 30
feet!!

> -------Original Message-------
> From: Marc <averys_98550@comcast.net>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video
> Sent: Jun 09 '11 14:25
>
> I'm not sure who came up with the idea that a Luscomb is such a dragon to
> land. Who ever it was he must have been a Cherokee pilot on his first
> conventional gear landings. I've flown the 8A, along with the 7AC, J3, and
> the Baby Great Lakes. Each have their own particular foibles, but I found
> the 8A to be a pussy cat, and undeserving of the reputation it seems to
> have. By far the most challanging of the bunch is the Baby, it hates wheel
> landings, and is so short coupled and narrow track that you have to really
> keep on top of it. The video landing appears to have more crab than I think
> there was in actuallity due maianly to camera angle. Notice that it
> apppears that his taxi angle is sideways too. I'd say other than a slight
> skip he did just fine,, and how many of you actually grease every landing?
>
> --- In [LINK: mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com]
> Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "A. Censor" <acensor@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's easy, and maybe unfair, to be a Monday morning quarterback (or in
> this case a one-the-ground pilot critic) but I do believe this pilot missed
> an important trick that should in my opinion be in the toolkit of all light
> aircraft with low stall/touchdown speeds when landing a strip with just one
> runway with heavy crosswinds:
> >
> >
> > Decades ago I was in the co-pilots seat in a Luscombe in an almost
> identical situation and airstrip with 25 to 30 mph winds directly across
> the only runway.
> >
> > Keep in mind a Luscombe stalls (touches down) at only about 45mph.
> >
> > Instead of trying to crab cross wind we just landed on the grass (this
> video shows the pilot had plenty of grass on both sides of the runway)
> DIRECTLY into the wind. Screw the runway.
> >
> > Effective touch down speed was about 20 mph with NO crosswind to deal
> with. Rolled to a stop in less feet than it takes to park four cars.
> >
> > Worth remembering, in my opinion, if ever in a similar spot.
> >
>
>
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

I'm not sure who came up with the idea that a Luscomb is such a dragon to land. Who ever it was he must have been a Cherokee pilot on his first conventional gear landings. I've flown the 8A, along with the 7AC, J3, and the Baby Great Lakes. Each have their own particular foibles, but I found the 8A to be a pussy cat, and undeserving of the reputation it seems to have. By far the most challanging of the bunch is the Baby, it hates wheel landings, and is so short coupled and narrow track that you have to really keep on top of it. The video landing appears to have more crab than I think there was in actuallity due maianly to camera angle. Notice that it apppears that his taxi angle is sideways too. I'd say other than a slight skip he did just fine,, and how many of you actually grease every landing?

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "A. Censor" <acensor@...> wrote:
>
> It's easy, and maybe unfair, to be a Monday morning quarterback (or in this case a one-the-ground pilot critic) but I do believe this pilot missed an important trick that should in my opinion be in the toolkit of all light aircraft with low stall/touchdown speeds when landing a strip with just one runway with heavy crosswinds:
>
>
> Decades ago I was in the co-pilots seat in a Luscombe in an almost identical situation and airstrip with 25 to 30 mph winds directly across the only runway.
>
> Keep in mind a Luscombe stalls (touches down) at only about 45mph.
>
> Instead of trying to crab cross wind we just landed on the grass (this video shows the pilot had plenty of grass on both sides of the runway) DIRECTLY into the wind. Screw the runway.
>
> Effective touch down speed was about 20 mph with NO crosswind to deal with. Rolled to a stop in less feet than it takes to park four cars.
>
> Worth remembering, in my opinion, if ever in a similar spot.
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

It's easy, and maybe unfair, to be a Monday morning quarterback (or in this case a one-the-ground pilot critic) but I do believe this pilot missed an important trick that should in my opinion be in the toolkit of all light aircraft with low stall/touchdown speeds when landing a strip with just one runway with heavy crosswinds:

 

 

Decades ago I was in the co-pilots seat in a Luscombe in an almost identical situation and airstrip with 25 to 30 mph winds directly across the only runway.

 

Keep in mind a Luscombe stalls (touches down) at only about 45mph.

 

Instead of trying to crab cross wind we just landed on the grass (this video shows the pilot had plenty of grass on both sides of the runway) DIRECTLY into the wind. Screw the runway.

 

Effective touch down speed was about 20 mph with NO crosswind to deal with. Rolled to a stop in less feet than it takes to park four cars.

 

Worth remembering, in my opinion, if ever in a similar spot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

yea....slips work pretty well..but this guy LANDED still in his crab. You are supposed to crab then kick straight
before touchdown. I'm amazed he didn't groundloop that thing. As I've said before....I could ground loop a
Luscombe in under 30 feet!! lol

> -------Original Message-------
> From: James Ferris <mijniljj@yahoo.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video
> Sent: Jun 08 '11 07:37
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> He was in a crab, Luscomb's don't have cross-wind landing gear so you need
> to slip with the upwind wing low and straight down the runway. i have
> landed Luscomb's in a 40 knot cross-wind with the wing tip about four
> inches of the ground on one wheel perfect landing.
>
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> SUBJECT: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video
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>
> Luscombe crosswind landing video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omChsodSdUs
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

You will nevwr STALL with an ATTITUDE like that statement.

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From: Roger <simon_d_pieman@yahoo.com>
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:00:39 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

 

Any landing that you can walk away from is a good one, worst that could happen in that one was possibly if there was a passenger that needed a quick laundry change.  Otherwise, it was beautifully handled.

 

TM

I'd rather die while I'm livin' than live like I'm dead.

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From: wj18001900 <swferris@sbcglobal.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Luscombe Crosswind Landing Video

 

Luscombe crosswind landing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omChsodSdUs

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