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No, but they do die from landing gear down in water when they don't have
a way out.

Helen

On 2/1/2011 10:05 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> I agree that those are regular occurrences.
> But people generally do not die from landing with gear up and also from controlled landing in water (I think).
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods<Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
>> Abid, about 370 people get struck by lightning every year in the United
>> States as well. I don't carry a personal lightning rod around either.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, BRS's have there place - for flying over large
>> expanses of forest, flying lots of hard IMC, or flying at night. Most
>> people just don't do much of any of those things in a light sport seaplane.
>>
>> On the other hand, pilots landing with incorrect gear position - regular
>> occurrence. Pilots landing seaplanes on water, regular occurrence. I
>> think its much more important to mitigate the risk of being trapped
>> underwater in your seaplane than a mid air collision in your seaplane.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>> On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Helen,
>>> Watch this please:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk
>>>
>>> Mid air collision in light single engine aircraft about 30 days or so
>>> ago in Virginia with two killed:
>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231
>>> <Helen,%20Watch%20this%20please:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk%20%20Mid%20air%20collision%20about%2030%20days%20or%20so%20ago%20in%20Virginia:%20http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mid air between an F-16 and a Cessna near Bradenton, FL
>>> http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision
>>>
>>> Mid air near Co in Feb 2010
>>> http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html
>>>
>>> etc. etc.
>>>
>>> Abid
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
>>> <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Helen,
>>>> There have been two midair in Tampa Bay region alone in the last 5
>>>>
>>> years. The weakest link is still the pilot and pilots do some stuff
>>> that defies gravity (literally).
>>>
>>>> Abid
>>>>
>>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods Helen_Woods@ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Engine failure = glide straight ahead and land in a field or in
>>>>>
>>> the water
>>>
>>>>> Prop failure = kill the ignitions (Rotax does not windmill), glide
>>>>> straight ahead and land in a field or in the water
>>>>> IMC = Execute 180 degree turn
>>>>> Bird strike so sever as to cause the plane to crash or disabled
>>>>>
>>> pilot =
>>>
>>>>> remote possibility I would put in the same category of risk midair or
>>>>> wings falling off
>>>>>
>>>>> A much more realistic risk is a gear down water landing causing the
>>>>> plane to flip and sink.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are just my opinions. Take them or leave them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Helen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, medicbill@ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about an engine failure, prop failure at altitude? Or those
>>>>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>>>> fly into IMC and are not instrument rated and become
>>>>>>
>>> disoriented? Or
>>>
>>>>>> how about bird strikes or disabled pilot?
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> In a message dated 1/31/2011 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>> Helen_Woods@ writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will concede the remote possibility that if a wing fell off or a
>>>>>> midair collision occurred bellow 1000' that the pilot may have
>>>>>> presence
>>>>>> of mind to quickly enough recognize his situation and deploy the
>>>>>> chute
>>>>>> before landing in the water but I still say it is impractical. Most
>>>>>> seaplane pilots are flying below 1000' over water. The chances of
>>>>>> a mid
>>>>>> air at that altitude are remote and the chances of a factory built
>>>>>> plane
>>>>>> suddenly having the wings fall off (Zodiac excepted) are even more
>>>>>> remote. Why would one total the airframe's structural integrity and
>>>>>> risk landing in an unusual attitude from a chute deployment both of
>>>>>> which increase the chances of sinking, rather than just landing
>>>>>> straight
>>>>>> ahead in the water?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:34 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below 1000 feet BRS is useless??
>>>>>>> Where, how, who do you come up with that. Generally speaking a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> BRS may open in as little as 300 feet. In fact I know of a sea
>>>>>> trike going down due to a bad wing sail repair after a previous
>>>>>> under water encounter and on this second one they opened their BRS
>>>>>> at around 500 feet and survived though hurt. According to them if
>>>>>> I remember the BRS opened just enough to make the water impact
>>>>>>
>>> softer.
>>>
>>>>>>> Abid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helen Wrote:
>>>>>>> SeaReys have a sliding canopy and Aventuras are open or have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> pop-open windows. Interestingly enough, just about every SeaRey
>>>>>> pilot I know has sunk their plane at least once with a gear down
>>>>>> water landing and swum away. By contrast, I looked at a Gannet a
>>>>>> few years back at OSH. The salesman gear downed it and drowned a
>>>>>> few months after I spoke with him. I'm not flying it unless I have
>>>>>> a way to escape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for the BRS, most seaplane flying is done below 1000' where a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> BRS isn't going to be of any use and there's plenty of runway all
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>>
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