Were there 57 gear down fatal sea plane crashes in sea-planes in the last 5 years?
Because there were 57 midair collisions in the last 5 years according to NTSB with a vast majority of them in clear day VFR conditions near airports.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
> No, but they do die from landing gear down in water when they don't have
> a way out.
>
> Helen
>
> On 2/1/2011 10:05 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> > I agree that those are regular occurrences.
> > But people generally do not die from landing with gear up and also from controlled landing in water (I think).
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods<Helen_Woods@> wrote:
> >
> >> Abid, about 370 people get struck by lightning every year in the United
> >> States as well. I don't carry a personal lightning rod around either.
> >>
> >> Don't get me wrong, BRS's have there place - for flying over large
> >> expanses of forest, flying lots of hard IMC, or flying at night. Most
> >> people just don't do much of any of those things in a light sport seaplane.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, pilots landing with incorrect gear position - regular
> >> occurrence. Pilots landing seaplanes on water, regular occurrence. I
> >> think its much more important to mitigate the risk of being trapped
> >> underwater in your seaplane than a mid air collision in your seaplane.
> >>
> >> Helen
> >>
> >> On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Helen,
> >>> Watch this please:
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk
> >>>
> >>> Mid air collision in light single engine aircraft about 30 days or so
> >>> ago in Virginia with two killed:
> >>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231
> >>> <Helen,%20Watch%20this%20please:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk%20%20Mid%20air%20collision%20about%2030%20days%20or%20so%20ago%20in%20Virginia:%20http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mid air between an F-16 and a Cessna near Bradenton, FL
> >>> http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision
> >>>
> >>> Mid air near Co in Feb 2010
> >>> http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html
> >>>
> >>> etc. etc.
> >>>
> >>> Abid
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
> >>> <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Helen,
> >>>> There have been two midair in Tampa Bay region alone in the last 5
> >>>>
> >>> years. The weakest link is still the pilot and pilots do some stuff
> >>> that defies gravity (literally).
> >>>
> >>>> Abid
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods Helen_Woods@ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Engine failure = glide straight ahead and land in a field or in
> >>>>>
> >>> the water
> >>>
> >>>>> Prop failure = kill the ignitions (Rotax does not windmill), glide
> >>>>> straight ahead and land in a field or in the water
> >>>>> IMC = Execute 180 degree turn
> >>>>> Bird strike so sever as to cause the plane to crash or disabled
> >>>>>
> >>> pilot =
> >>>
> >>>>> remote possibility I would put in the same category of risk midair or
> >>>>> wings falling off
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A much more realistic risk is a gear down water landing causing the
> >>>>> plane to flip and sink.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These are just my opinions. Take them or leave them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Helen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, medicbill@ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about an engine failure, prop failure at altitude? Or those
> >>>>>>
> >>> who
> >>>
> >>>>>> fly into IMC and are not instrument rated and become
> >>>>>>
> >>> disoriented? Or
> >>>
> >>>>>> how about bird strikes or disabled pilot?
> >>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>> In a message dated 1/31/2011 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >>>>>> Helen_Woods@ writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will concede the remote possibility that if a wing fell off or a
> >>>>>> midair collision occurred bellow 1000' that the pilot may have
> >>>>>> presence
> >>>>>> of mind to quickly enough recognize his situation and deploy the
> >>>>>> chute
> >>>>>> before landing in the water but I still say it is impractical. Most
> >>>>>> seaplane pilots are flying below 1000' over water. The chances of
> >>>>>> a mid
> >>>>>> air at that altitude are remote and the chances of a factory built
> >>>>>> plane
> >>>>>> suddenly having the wings fall off (Zodiac excepted) are even more
> >>>>>> remote. Why would one total the airframe's structural integrity and
> >>>>>> risk landing in an unusual attitude from a chute deployment both of
> >>>>>> which increase the chances of sinking, rather than just landing
> >>>>>> straight
> >>>>>> ahead in the water?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Helen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:34 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Below 1000 feet BRS is useless??
> >>>>>>> Where, how, who do you come up with that. Generally speaking a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> BRS may open in as little as 300 feet. In fact I know of a sea
> >>>>>> trike going down due to a bad wing sail repair after a previous
> >>>>>> under water encounter and on this second one they opened their BRS
> >>>>>> at around 500 feet and survived though hurt. According to them if
> >>>>>> I remember the BRS opened just enough to make the water impact
> >>>>>>
> >>> softer.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Abid
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Helen Wrote:
> >>>>>>> SeaReys have a sliding canopy and Aventuras are open or have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> pop-open windows. Interestingly enough, just about every SeaRey
> >>>>>> pilot I know has sunk their plane at least once with a gear down
> >>>>>> water landing and swum away. By contrast, I looked at a Gannet a
> >>>>>> few years back at OSH. The salesman gear downed it and drowned a
> >>>>>> few months after I spoke with him. I'm not flying it unless I have
> >>>>>> a way to escape.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for the BRS, most seaplane flying is done below 1000' where a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> BRS isn't going to be of any use and there's plenty of runway all
> >>>>>> about.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Helen
> >>>>>>>
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