to compare rates (percentage of amphibs with accidents vs. percentage of
all aircraft with mid airs) not raw numbers. The fact that it is
impossible in the lower 48 to get insurance to rent out an amphib should
tell you something about those rates.
Helen
On 2/2/2011 10:27 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
> I don't know Helen.
> Were there 57 gear down fatal sea plane crashes in sea-planes in the last 5 years?
> Because there were 57 midair collisions in the last 5 years according to NTSB with a vast majority of them in clear day VFR conditions near airports.
>
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods<Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
>
>> No, but they do die from landing gear down in water when they don't have
>> a way out.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>> On 2/1/2011 10:05 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that those are regular occurrences.
>>> But people generally do not die from landing with gear up and also from controlled landing in water (I think).
>>> Abid
>>>
>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods<Helen_Woods@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Abid, about 370 people get struck by lightning every year in the United
>>>> States as well. I don't carry a personal lightning rod around either.
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, BRS's have there place - for flying over large
>>>> expanses of forest, flying lots of hard IMC, or flying at night. Most
>>>> people just don't do much of any of those things in a light sport seaplane.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, pilots landing with incorrect gear position - regular
>>>> occurrence. Pilots landing seaplanes on water, regular occurrence. I
>>>> think its much more important to mitigate the risk of being trapped
>>>> underwater in your seaplane than a mid air collision in your seaplane.
>>>>
>>>> Helen
>>>>
>>>> On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Helen,
>>>>> Watch this please:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk
>>>>>
>>>>> Mid air collision in light single engine aircraft about 30 days or so
>>>>> ago in Virginia with two killed:
>>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231
>>>>> <Helen,%20Watch%20this%20please:%20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXQKaxp6Rlk%20%20Mid%20air%20collision%20about%2030%20days%20or%20so%20ago%20in%20Virginia:%20http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/31/us-aviation-crash-idUSTRE6BU2QI20101231>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mid air between an F-16 and a Cessna near Bradenton, FL
>>>>> http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php/310-Midair-collision
>>>>>
>>>>> Mid air near Co in Feb 2010
>>>>> http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2010/02/08/daily2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> etc. etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Abid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica"
>>>>> <apollonorthamerica@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Helen,
>>>>>> There have been two midair in Tampa Bay region alone in the last 5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> years. The weakest link is still the pilot and pilots do some stuff
>>>>> that defies gravity (literally).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Abid
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods Helen_Woods@ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Engine failure = glide straight ahead and land in a field or in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> the water
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prop failure = kill the ignitions (Rotax does not windmill), glide
>>>>>>> straight ahead and land in a field or in the water
>>>>>>> IMC = Execute 180 degree turn
>>>>>>> Bird strike so sever as to cause the plane to crash or disabled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> pilot =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> remote possibility I would put in the same category of risk midair or
>>>>>>> wings falling off
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A much more realistic risk is a gear down water landing causing the
>>>>>>> plane to flip and sink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are just my opinions. Take them or leave them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:51 PM, medicbill@ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about an engine failure, prop failure at altitude? Or those
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fly into IMC and are not instrument rated and become
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> disoriented? Or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how about bird strikes or disabled pilot?
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> In a message dated 1/31/2011 5:43:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>>>> Helen_Woods@ writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will concede the remote possibility that if a wing fell off or a
>>>>>>>> midair collision occurred bellow 1000' that the pilot may have
>>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>> of mind to quickly enough recognize his situation and deploy the
>>>>>>>> chute
>>>>>>>> before landing in the water but I still say it is impractical. Most
>>>>>>>> seaplane pilots are flying below 1000' over water. The chances of
>>>>>>>> a mid
>>>>>>>> air at that altitude are remote and the chances of a factory built
>>>>>>>> plane
>>>>>>>> suddenly having the wings fall off (Zodiac excepted) are even more
>>>>>>>> remote. Why would one total the airframe's structural integrity and
>>>>>>>> risk landing in an unusual attitude from a chute deployment both of
>>>>>>>> which increase the chances of sinking, rather than just landing
>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>> ahead in the water?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2011 8:34 PM, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Below 1000 feet BRS is useless??
>>>>>>>>> Where, how, who do you come up with that. Generally speaking a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BRS may open in as little as 300 feet. In fact I know of a sea
>>>>>>>> trike going down due to a bad wing sail repair after a previous
>>>>>>>> under water encounter and on this second one they opened their BRS
>>>>>>>> at around 500 feet and survived though hurt. According to them if
>>>>>>>> I remember the BRS opened just enough to make the water impact
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> softer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Abid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Helen Wrote:
>>>>>>>>> SeaReys have a sliding canopy and Aventuras are open or have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pop-open windows. Interestingly enough, just about every SeaRey
>>>>>>>> pilot I know has sunk their plane at least once with a gear down
>>>>>>>> water landing and swum away. By contrast, I looked at a Gannet a
>>>>>>>> few years back at OSH. The salesman gear downed it and drowned a
>>>>>>>> few months after I spoke with him. I'm not flying it unless I have
>>>>>>>> a way to escape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the BRS, most seaplane flying is done below 1000' where a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BRS isn't going to be of any use and there's plenty of runway all
>>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>>>>
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