Sunday, July 28, 2013

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point



Sure wish Sport Pilot had existed when I learned to fly. No regrets though. It makes transitioning from Private to Sport Pilot much simpler. Sport Pilot is tailor made for people like me who just want to go up for an hour or two with a friend and enjoy the scenery, or take a short jaunt. No IFR and no night flying (don't see all that well after dark anymore). I can repair my own ELSA and sign the logs. I took the ELSA Repairman 16 hour course five yeas ago. I say, and I'm sure many others will agree, it doesn't get any better than this.

Norm


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Saturday, July 27, 2013

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point



Norman- there is a Flight Design CT at Hillsdale
Tom

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On Jul 27, 2013, at 11:29 AM, "Norman" <nedavis49015@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Sounds like a plan to me. Start at square one. Don't let the interest go. You will live to regret it. Never stop dreaming.

Now, I have a question: Does anyone out there know an LSA instructor with an aircraft in Kalamazoo/Battle Creek, MI area? I am in need of a BFR. Last instructor I knew who had any time has moved away.

Norm
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" <abartz@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. This is my starting point in my adventure towards LSA activity. I have reached the point in my life that either I start this interest now, or let it go. I choose to start!
>
> I know only what I have read in the WIKI sites regarding obtaining a LSA certificate. It seems doable for me. There is an airfield close by and will also be lurking around there to get an idea of how to proceed.
>
> The goal is to own and fly a piper type aircraft. I am very impressed by the Graphite Cub I found at CubCrafters. Most every review I have found liked them too.
>
> So here I am, ready to learn. Hit me with your best advise, or warnings. Hopefully I will be able to contribute something down the road.
>
> Thanks for having me here!
>
> Alan
> Southern California
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Hi Alan,

 

Welcome to the group.  I hope your dreams come true.

 

I offer the following advice:

 

1.       Set aside the taildragger (Cub) dream in favor of a conventional/tricycle gear plane for now.  This will greatly simplify and speed  up your training.

2.       Find out where your local EAA club meets and attend some meetings. Get to know local EAA members and get some rides in different planes.

3.       Find out where the nearest flying clubs are and investigate  membership.  Learning to fly in a club is going to be much cheaper than at the local flying school. If you can afford the rates at an for-profit flying school, all the better.  We're talking about a savings of 50% here.

4.       When you find an instructor that you like, keep him/her.  If the chemistry is not right with an instructor, get another one.

 

Keep us posted on your journey to becoming a Sport Pilot, Private Pilot, Commercial Pilot, ATP . . . .

 

Fly safely,

Dennis

 

Skycatcher Page  http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm

 

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alan" wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. This is my starting point in my adventure towards LSA activity. I have reached the point in my life that either I start this interest now, or let it go. I choose to start!
>
> I know only what I have read in the WIKI sites regarding obtaining a LSA certificate. It seems doable for me. There is an airfield close by and will also be lurking around there to get an idea of how to proceed.
>
> The goal is to own and fly a piper type aircraft. I am very impressed by the Graphite Cub I found at CubCrafters. Most every review I have found liked them too.
>
> So here I am, ready to learn. Hit me with your best advise, or warnings. Hopefully I will be able to contribute something down the road.
>
> Thanks for having me here!
>
> Alan
> Southern California
>



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point



I guess you mean getting your Sport Pilot License when you say "LSA certificate."
 
I got my sport pilot license about two years ago and have over 250 hours logged time on a LSA I own with a partner.
I'm very happy with my sport pilot training and license and love flying and love my LSA aircraft.
I think I'm an exception.  Other than the many ultralight pilots who transitioned into Sport Pilot certification,
in truth very few people have gotten into flying by directly getting a sport pilot license.
 
A couple of notes:
1) Be sure that there's near you either a flying club or an aircraft rental that HAS a sport pilot legal aircraft for you to fly.
Otherwise, unless you buy your own aircraft, you'll have a Sport Pilot certification that cost you much time and money and find ti useless.
Many aircraft rental places do not have a single Sport Pilot legal LSA for rent.
 
1b) I ran into one place in the San Diego area (you mentioned you're from there) that has a nice Sport Pilot legal LSA (Skycatcher) for rent,  but even though a sport pilot license entitles you to fly it as far as FAA is concerned, they (because of their insurer) require that you have a current valid medical certificate also. Note that many people get sport pilot licenses precisely because they either don't want to take the medical exam or are afraid they might not pass it. Once you fail a medical exam or withdraw the application you can no longer fly with a sport pilot license. Watch out for this, it could in a worst case result in a disaster for you if you got involved with such a FBO rental under your Sport Pilot license.
 
2) Figure realistically (if you don't own your own LSA, or don't have access to a flying club that will let you train in their sport pilot legal aircraft) that it will cost you around $4000 by the time you're licensed. And figure about 35 hours.
Yes, it is true some people have managed to do it in 20 or 25 hours  of flying (not counting their study time for the written test) and for less cash, but don't count on it.
 
3) Learning to fly (be it sport pilot or regular private pilot) with flying sessions spread too far apart is very inefficient.
For example, if you only get up for two or three hours once a month. Many people who try to do it that way never finish. You lose too much "currency" between training sessions.  Being able to go up IMO at least once a week for three hours is minimum viable training interval.  Ideally you'd IMO go up for 2 hours every second day, and study 1 or two hours the day in between.
3b) Some CFIs and flight schools that specialize in sport pilot training offer intensive training concentrated in a small period of time, such as two weeks or 10 days in one block of time. If you can afford the time and money and housing and transportation to such a location/operation it could be a good way to get it all done. Some of them require that BEFORE you show up you take and pass the FAA knowledge test (sometime called the "written test" even though it's all computerized these days.)
 
4) 70% of all people who start out to get their pilot's license never finish. Most common reasons IMO are it's costing more than they expected, and they are unable or unwilling to stay current and train with short intervals between sessions. Less likely, though possible, they find the knowledge test type learning, or even the flying skill itself, too challenging. I'd suggest you go take some of the many free on-the-web sample sport pilot FAA knowledge tests. Of course you shouldn't expect to do well on those (I'm assuming you don't have a lot of prior flight book learning) but they should give you a feel of what type of "book learning" .. intellectual knowledge and skill.. you'll be dealing with in the ground-type-learning involved with Sport Pilot.  If your reaction to that is "I sort of understand that stuff" and/or "sure I could learn that stuff and maybe even enjoy learning it" then good. On the other hand if your reaction is "WTF are they TALKING about" and/or "I hate learning that sort of stuff" then maybe you should either back off your flying plans OR make a point of get a good tutorial (there are many free, some cheap, many very expensive on disk or online) for learning this knowledge test stuff and see if you can get a handle the knowledge test BEFORE spending a lot of time and money learning to fly the plane and then get stopped at the knowledge test level. If you take and pass the test it's good for two years.
The amount of material you are SUPPOSEDLY supposed to completely master can seem intimidating (meteorology, aerodynamics, aviation law, mechanics, aircraft performance calculations, navigation, etc., etc.)  But remember, thousands of student pilots pass those tests and you only have to pass with 70%.  (When I took sample tests BEFORE I started any formal flight training or software tutorials I was scoring 50 to 65% or even sometimes 70%; I was an experienced model plane builder, physics student, etc., so I had a leg up on that stuff.  Point is, how easy or challenging you'll find the knowledge learning depends in part what sort of background and knowledge you arrive at the table with.)
 
5) As for aircraft: You'll find a wide range of strong opinions, many of them knowledgeable, on what's a suitable aircraft for a sport pilot.
The Graphite Cub (Carbon Cub SS) has some wonderful characteristics; I ASSUME you have what by my standards is a pretty fat wallet or you wouldn't even be looking at a Carbon Cub. (Were you aware that a used half decently equip Carbon Cub will set you back $150,000 or more?)
There are many many LSA's at significantly lower prices that are IMO wonderful light sport aircraft.... some, in my opinion, with advantages over the Carbon Cub.  Even ignoring price (which few of us can) what is the "best" aircraft for you depends on what and how you will use it? Is ability to land on fields outside airports (back country flying) important? Is cruise speed really important? Luggage capacity? Visibility (high wings are generally better for visibility downward)? Ability to stay aloft for a long period of time with low fuel consumption? Range? Cabin comfort? Ease of maintenance? Maintenance costs? Availability of mechanics familiar with your type of plane? And the all important "handling characteristics"?
5b) If buying an aircraft, get really familiar with the difference in maintenance rules for "experimental" and standard category LSAs.
In short, generally speaking, owning a standard category LSA will cost you a lot more in, and be a lot more restricted in,maintenance.
 
 
6) To quote a friend who is an aircraft mechanic when I was consulting with him on what sort of plane to buy:
"An aircraft can cost you more money in more ways than I can name."
 
7) My personal opinion is that if you can afford it, and have some knowledge (or can get some knowledge) of how to purchase a plane, it's best to get your plane first and train in your own aircraft. You will safe significant money in aircraft rental during your dual training and solo practice times, and when finally have your license, don't have to learn a different type of plane than the one you trained in.
 
8) If this is a dream of yours don't put it off too long. It's not going to get any cheaper or easier to get licensed as the years go by.
 
9) Study the limitations of the sport pilot license compared to the regular private pilot license.
Sport pilot IS a bit easier and cheaper to get.
For me the only limitation that is at all annoying is that I can never fly any aircraft that can carry more than one passenger .... never can take my wife AND a guest or friend up at the same time. Similarly it rules out my owning (if I want to fly them) a whole lot of very nice not terribly expensive aircraft that don't fit under the LSA definition.
 
My two cents.
Hope it helps.
 
Alex
 
 
Alan wrote IN PART ---
>Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:34 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Alan" alan_wendy Hello everyone. This is my starting point in my adventure towards LSA activity. I have reached the point in my life that either I start this interest now, or let it go. I choose to start!
 
I know only what I have read in the WIKI sites regarding obtaining a LSA certificate. It seems doable for me. There is an airfield close by and will also be lurking around there to get an idea of how to proceed.
 
The goal is to own and fly a piper type aircraft. I am very impressed by the Graphite Cub I found at CubCrafters. Most every review I have found liked them too.
 
So here I am, ready to learn. Hit me with your best advise, or warnings.<


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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fellow Skycatcher Owners/Renters/Interested Parties

Hi Group,

I'd like to trade flying and maintenance issues off line with other Skycatcher enthusiasts. I'm based at 68IS in North Central Illinois.

Click on my name to send me an email.

Here's some photos of my Skycatcher. In a couple of days the N-number will become N900DP. The paperwork required to assign a custom N-number is outrageous!

http://users.foxvalley.net/~dpersyk/skycatcher.htm

Fly safely,
Dennis






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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help



Hi Group,

I'm curious about your comment about Skycatcher climb rate.  My Skycatcher climbs at about 700 fps at full gross on a day 15 to 20 F degrees above standard atmosphere. This is at about 70 kias, well below Vy, as I find the deck angle at Vy to be very restrictive of forward vision.  For the record, that is much better climb performance than my Skyhawk Model K had at full gross.

What LSAs  have better actual climb rates?

Fly safely,

Dennis

 
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "vardonx" wrote:
>
> Yup I goofed and meant max takeoff weight. I disagree that most lsa's cant't actually fly near that weight...the Remos GX flys fine at 1250 lbs in the nice FL sunshine
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Garygaryo@ wrote:
> >
> > Correction. 1320 is max takeoff weight, and not useful load of LSA. Most all will climb at 1,000 ft per minute or better loaded to that limit regardless of the rated useful loads. There are exceptions, like the SkyCatcher.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "A. Censor" acensor@
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 14:52:21 GMT+00:00
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: I need help
> >
> > "vardonx" catalina1783@ vardonx
> > ON Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:23 am (PDT) WROTE, IN PART ---
> > >From a useful load perspective it sounds like either the Jabiru J230 or a Kitfox would possibly work, since I believe both were originally spec'd at over 1320 lbs useful load....... <
> >
> > Hi Vardonx,
> >
> > That “1320” you quote isn’t what you present it as.
> > It is not the “useful load” --- it is not even the maximum takeoff weight.
> >
> >
> > If you put 1320 pounds either of those aircraft you’d probably never get off the runway and if you did manage to get off into ground effect you’d be in big trouble.
> >
> > What it that 1320 IS is the “Maximum Gross Takeoff Weight” set by regulation for ANY aircraft to be sport pilot legal.
> > See http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/final_rule_synopsis.html
> >
> > There is one version of the Jabiru J230 that has a useable load of 792 lbs but that one is NOT an LSA... not legal for a sport pilot.
> >
> >
> > The reported useable load for the highest performance version of the LSA Kitfox (with the 100hp Rotax engine) is 552 pounds.
> > That’s less than my Skyranger’s useful load, and unsuitable (even if he/she fit in there) for a 450 pounder to fly in as that would leave about 100 pounds for the instructor plus fuel.
> > I doubt you’ll find any LSA with a useful load of more than about 650 pounds.
> > And as others have pointed out it’s not great, even if you can fit in there, to be flying right near those limits.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
>



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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: A starting point

alan, echoing ralph's comments I started flying lessons in a cessna 152 way
back in 1982 but, as so often happens, life got in the way and I never went
back to finish. flash forward 30-years and now, at age 62 (soon to be 63)
I'm about 10-days from my LSA check ride. even though my instructor is
working me pretty hard I love every minute I'm in the air. I can't
encourage you enough to get started on making your dream come true. the
best way to proceed is not to lurk about the airfield...call or stop by and
see if they have a LSA program (not every flight school or field does) and
if they do take a short discovery flight. if you want to own a piper then
by all means train in a tail dragger. but whatever you choose don't
procrastinate. good luck.


'73,
rich, n9dko
Years ago when men cursed and beat the Earth with sticks it was known as
witchcraft. Today it's known as golf!
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Alan, it's never too late to start. I didn't start flying until age 40
(mid-life crisis), and now have been flying for over 26 years. I started
flying R/C models and it progressed to ordering a Kolb Firestar kit in 1986.
I had never built anything before, except airplane models, so it was a
challenge. Needless to say, that Firestar kit has been flying all this time.
Five years ago I bought a Kolb Kolbra. I'm the guy that produced the
"Rushford fly-in" video. I went and got my Sport license to fly it and it
has been a dream come true. I absolutely love flying especially when I can
share it with friends and family. My advice is to pursue your dream and you
will never regret it.




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