Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group So long and good luck...

Wow! The negativity and flaming on this list is just too astounding and not at all what I expected, so I'll try somewhere a bit more productive.

I'm sure this will get flames, but I won't be reading them :)

So good luck to you all and safe flying!



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Careful. We don't tolerate picking on each other here. We are open to opinions if constructive or of interest to the group.


Gary, moderator

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From: Frank <frankiebpr@yahoo.com>
To: "Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, May 20, 2012 22:43:30 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent

airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.

May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip.  If you have nothing to

bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments.  If this is what you like,

may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using technology in your

favor........for goodness sake!!!!!  LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND

VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.

FRANK GONZALEZ

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On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

I have been right here reading your stupid response, I am quite aware of the search engines and I was not thinking of me but of the rest of the readers, I am quite convince of the excellent

airflow performance of all the PipiStrel models, if I may add: Second to none for that matter.

May I suggest you learn to interpret before shooting from your hip.  If you have nothing to

bring to the readers, stop repeating someone else's comments.  If this is what you like,

may I suggest you just "copy and paste" at least you would be using technology in your

favor........for goodness sake!!!!!  LAST BUT NOT LEAST, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND

VISIT AND READ ALL ABOUT PIPISTREL AND THEIR ONGOING AVIATION RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. At least you will have something purposeful to write about.

FRANK GONZALEZ

Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2012, at 2:38 AM, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Just to clarify I didn't mean this message below just for Frank but actually for all the guys questioning Pipestrel here.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?
>
> I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.
>
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@> wrote:
> >
> > Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
> >
> > put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> > Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
> >
> > I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@> wrote:
> >
> > > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Wow. The poor guy mentions the Cafe Foundation and you are asking for links. There is such a thing called Google and web search and for goodness sakes, if you are flying, how come you are oblivious to Cafe Foundation and NASA challenge. Where have you been :)?

I completely believe that they 2.5 GPH fuel burn in the pattern. Apollo Fox has 2.5 GPH at 65 to 70 knots in the pattern and its a whole lot more draggy than this plane. It doesn't even have struts. Pipestrel makes sailplanes or motor gliders. They reduce the induce drag by increasing the aspect ratio and this plane is a derivative of one of their models so highly likely it has a lower aspect ratio but still the rest of the heritage is there from their motor glider.

Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Frank <frankiebpr@...> wrote:
>
> Wow Michael, ain't no bullshit (excuse my french) on your part....What I read here is:
>
> put up or shut up. Why don't you attach a link that will convince everyone of the
> Cafe/NASA results; that would certainly "put the frosting on the cake".
>
> I am playing the Lotto today to see if you would deliver one of these five to my airport :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "Michael Coates" <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> > Tell you what, we will offer another 5 Pipistrel ALPHA Trainers for $85k delivered to your airport with glass or normal gauges.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>




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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group perfect for my situation

Compliance process is probably what he means. ASTM compliance.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Gary<garyo@...> wrote:
>
> What certificate process are you talking about? Part 23 ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: medicbill@...
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 23:12:17 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group perfect for my situation
>
> Yes, good for the training market but the rest of the market wants bells
> and whistles and glass cockpits. The biggest cost of an aircraft is not the
> bells and whistles but the expense of having to go through the certification
> process.
>
> Bill
>
>
> In a message dated 5/16/2012 4:05:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tpwarga@... writes:
>
> From AVWeb:
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PipistrelAlphaLSATrainerReadyToFlyFor85
> K_206688-1.html
>
>
> In my opinion, this is the approach that LSA manufacturers should be
> taking.
>
> This aircraft is configured with conventional instrumentation complemented
> by a GPS.
>
> This is the way I want to fly â€" I don't need the sophisticated (read:
> expensive) glass cockpits that really jack up the price of an airplane.
>
> Less expensive and rugged designs like this can only help bring in more
> students and pilots.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

Most people don't believe in laminar flow wings. When I got 90% laminar flow on a transonic airfoil  no one believed me and they would not let me publish my results at NASA, they said I could retire or be fired so I retired after only 28 years as an aeronautical engineer.

From: Michael Coates <mcoates@mcp.com.au>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:29 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: perfect for my situation

 

Sorry,but my reply to you was at the end of a 20 hour workday and was a little bit terse but you do get upset after a while when you hear the same thing over and over.

The efficiency of Pipistrel aircraft is proven throughout the world in many and varied efficiency competitions. These are not manufacturers make up numbers these are real world, real flying numbers.

My personal Pipistrel Sinus Burns 11.8 litres at 115 knots cruise, that is 3.1 US gallons per hour, I would use these numbers to carry sufficient fuel to fly across any ocean because this is what I get every single day of the week!

If I slow down a little bit to say 100 knots my fuel consumption drops to 9 litres per hour which is 2.4 gallons (and this aircraft is more than 100 pounds heavier than the Pipistrel ALPHA Trainer)(yes we are talking US gallons and not imperial gallons before somebody asks).

Have a look at the design, there are no wing struts, it is a complete laminar flow wing, it has negative flap, there are no metal rivets or anything else in the air stream. The aircraft have been designed from the very start for efficiency and low consumption.

It is not our fault that some magazines do not research the story enough or copy our press release Word for Word but the information was there originally saying that the introductory price was limited to the first 10 aircraft sold (which has now passed) as mentioned I will extend this to another five just to prove our intentions are honourable, and the only real difference in the price from the original $85,000 is now because people want Glass and they are simply paying the difference between analog gauges and glass

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