Friday, November 30, 2012

RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU



In addition, any standard certified aircraft that meets the LSA limitations can be flown by a sports pilot.

 

Jerry in NC

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Walker
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Hello

 both are right

 You need to certify a light sport aircraft as a manufacturer But you can build a compliant EXAB Both can be flown by a spoet pilot

Peter


From: John Price <japrice@mindspring.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:03 AM
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Totally incorrect any experimental amateur built aircraft that meets limitations of SP you can fly....You do not have to certify your aircraft as a LSA and any pilot may fly it!

John

 

 

On Thursday, November 29, 2012 08:04:58 AM Dwayne wrote:

 

 

  Unless you are a manufacturer, or a person who wants to go through the COMPLETE FAA certification of your aircraft *as* a LSA, your aircraft that you design will not be LSA certifiable, and ONLY a licensed  (not SP license) pilot can fly your airplane. 

  The only way how to get under this, is make it an ultralight and abide by the UL rules.



Great to hear from ya!


 

 



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU



Hello
 both are right
 You need to certify a light sport aircraft as a manufacturer But you can build a compliant EXAB Both can be flown by a spoet pilot
Peter

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Totally incorrect any experimental amateur built aircraft that meets limitations of SP you can fly....You do not have to certify your aircraft as a LSA and any pilot may fly it!
John
 
 
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 08:04:58 AM Dwayne wrote:
 
 
  Unless you are a manufacturer, or a person who wants to go through the COMPLETE FAA certification of your aircraft *as* a LSA, your aircraft that you design will not be LSA certifiable, and ONLY a licensed  (not SP license) pilot can fly your airplane. 

  The only way how to get under this, is make it an ultralight and abide by the UL rules.



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Thursday, November 29, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU



Totally incorrect any experimental amateur built aircraft that meets limitations of SP you can fly....You do not have to certify your aircraft as a LSA and any pilot may fly it!

John

 

 

On Thursday, November 29, 2012 08:04:58 AM Dwayne wrote:

 

 

  Unless you are a manufacturer, or a person who wants to go through the COMPLETE FAA certification of your aircraft *as* a LSA, your aircraft that you design will not be LSA certifiable, and ONLY a licensed  (not SP license) pilot can fly your airplane. 

  The only way how to get under this, is make it an ultralight and abide by the UL rules.



Great to hear from ya!







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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: cheap LED 4509?

go ask on the kitfox fourm they all use the led for a landing light its bright.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@...> wrote:
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> Anyone have an LED replacement for a 4509 landing light that is cheap
> and can be used for an LSA? Or do I need to pay for a PMAed Whelan?
>
> Helen
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU



  Unless you are a manufacturer, or a person who wants to go through the COMPLETE FAA certification of your aircraft *as* a LSA, your aircraft that you design will not be LSA certifiable, and ONLY a licensed  (not SP license) pilot can fly your airplane. 

  The only way how to get under this, is make it an ultralight and abide by the UL rules.



Great to hear from ya!

--- On Thu, 11/29/12, Vince <vhhomer@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Vince <vhhomer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012, 5:52 AM

 

It is not my intent to build a certified light sport aircraft, rather to build an expiremental aircraft that meets the light sport requirements. As I understand the regs one can use any engine and prop combination you want to in an expiremental plane as long as the finished product isn't obviously unsafe. It is also my understanding that a Light Sport pilot can legally fly an expiremental category aircraft that meets the LSA regs pertaining to weight, speeds, etc. and has a single engine with a fixed pitch prop.

The current situation with electric LSAs is just silly considering the reliability of electric motors compared to IC engines. You can ask any RC modeler about that comparison.

Vince Homer

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> Route reference to your question about a variable transmission instead
> of an in-flight adjustable propeller.
>
> There are basically two authorities which must be satisfied.
>
> Firstly your engine must exceed the minimum requirements set out by the
> relevant ASTM standard, secondly that particular standard must be
> _accepted_ by the FAA.
>
> An example at the moment is that the ASTM have approved a standard for
> electric aircraft but this standard is not accepted by the FAA because
> they still use the word reciprocating engine in all of their
> documentation, obviously an electric engine is not a reciprocating
> engine so even though we have compliance with the standards the standard
> is not accepted by the FAA and therefore we cannot have LSA electric
> aircraft at this particular time.
>
> I doubt although I am happy to be corrected that your variable
> transmission idea would fall into line with any current ASTM standard.
>
> You can have the best chicken in the world but unless it has approval to
> lay eggs you can't make an omelette!
>



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Rule Question

LSA choppers - That's a good point as they do have two "propellers." Since both the main and tail rotors are variable pitch, do helis meet the LSA requirements?

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "tjaylarsen" <tlarse@...> wrote:
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>
> I have also wondered that. always thought it would be cool to see two props sticking out of the leading edge. there is a lot kit choppers with with a big rotor on top and a small one in back. some have two big ones and no small ones. ya know thats 2 and there lsa
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Vince" <vhhomer@> wrote:
> >
> > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
> >
> > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
> >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Rule Question

I have also wondered that. always thought it would be cool to see two props sticking out of the leading edge. there is a lot kit choppers with with a big rotor on top and a small one in back. some have two big ones and no small ones. ya know thats 2 and there lsa
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Vince" <vhhomer@...> wrote:
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> The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU

It is not my intent to build a certified light sport aircraft, rather to build an expiremental aircraft that meets the light sport requirements. As I understand the regs one can use any engine and prop combination you want to in an expiremental plane as long as the finished product isn't obviously unsafe. It is also my understanding that a Light Sport pilot can legally fly an expiremental category aircraft that meets the LSA regs pertaining to weight, speeds, etc. and has a single engine with a fixed pitch prop.

The current situation with electric LSAs is just silly considering the reliability of electric motors compared to IC engines. You can ask any RC modeler about that comparison.

Vince Homer

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
>
> Route reference to your question about a variable transmission instead
> of an in-flight adjustable propeller.
>
> There are basically two authorities which must be satisfied.
>
> Firstly your engine must exceed the minimum requirements set out by the
> relevant ASTM standard, secondly that particular standard must be
> _accepted_ by the FAA.
>
> An example at the moment is that the ASTM have approved a standard for
> electric aircraft but this standard is not accepted by the FAA because
> they still use the word reciprocating engine in all of their
> documentation, obviously an electric engine is not a reciprocating
> engine so even though we have compliance with the standards the standard
> is not accepted by the FAA and therefore we cannot have LSA electric
> aircraft at this particular time.
>
> I doubt although I am happy to be corrected that your variable
> transmission idea would fall into line with any current ASTM standard.
>
> You can have the best chicken in the world but unless it has approval to
> lay eggs you can't make an omelette!
>




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Variable Ratio PSRU



Route reference to your question about a variable transmission instead of an in-flight adjustable propeller.

There are basically two authorities which must be satisfied.

Firstly your engine must exceed the minimum requirements set out by the relevant ASTM standard, secondly that particular standard must be accepted by the FAA.

An example at the moment is that the ASTM have approved a standard for electric aircraft but this standard is not accepted by the FAA because they still use the word reciprocating engine in all of their documentation, obviously an electric engine is not a reciprocating engine so even though we have compliance with the standards the standard is not accepted by the FAA and therefore we cannot have LSA electric aircraft at this particular time.

I doubt although I am happy to be corrected that your variable transmission idea would fall into line with any current ASTM standard.

You can have the best chicken in the world but unless it has approval to lay eggs you can't make an omelette!


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Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question



Hello
 it is likely to be ruled out as not to the intent of the category Counter rotation and 2 propellers are both a weight penalty as well as mechanically complex Any small gain is countered by additional weight cost and complexity The same applies to a variable speed drive I took a long time to get retractable undercarriage allowed on seaplanes and that had a practicality and safety driver
Peter


From: Vince <vhhomer@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question

 
The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?

Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?





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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Variable Ratio PSRU

Another question about interpretation of the LSA rules: Given that an in-flight adjustable variable pitch prop is not allowed, what about the use of a variable ratio propeller speed reduction unit? I have considerable test data showing that there may be some advantages in using a CVT (constant velocity transmission, like used in a snowmobile), as a speed redution unit between the engine and propeller. These units maintain the engine at a predetermined rpm and the prop speed varies according to the load on it.

Would the FAA balk at the use of a CVT on a light sport aircraft?

Vnce Homer



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The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?

Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?



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Friday, November 23, 2012

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Options for Partially Completed Kit

Thanks for the answers. Much appreciated.

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> Agreed Jim.
>
> What it all boils down to is the person presenting the application, with a signature attesting that 51% was built by amateurs "under penalty of perjury bla bla bla". And if all the documents are acceptable to the inspector signing off on the whole thing, then it's a done deal. So, a lot of that interpretation comes from that DAR.
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> Personally I wish they'd keep the "21.191(I)(1)" E-LSA category. All this amateur built nonsense wouldn't have to be dealt with then
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Options for Partially Completed Kit

Agreed Jim.

What it all boils down to is the person presenting the application, with a signature attesting that 51% was built by amateurs "under penalty of perjury bla bla bla". And if all the documents are acceptable to the inspector signing off on the whole thing, then it's a done deal. So, a lot of that interpretation comes from that DAR.

Personally I wish they'd keep the "21.191(I)(1)" E-LSA category. All this amateur built nonsense wouldn't have to be dealt with then

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Options for Partially Completed Kit



However.... a strict interpretation of that in the manner you have described would mean that any project, once built beyond the 50% point, could never be finished by anyone and licensed as an EAB.  That has not been the case.  Yes, the intent is avoid a commercial builder from skirting the necessity to build a certified aircraft, but the reality has been that many projects exchange hands sometimes several times before the final builder finally finishes the project and puts his name on it as THE builder.  And I believe that interpretation is officially sanctioned and backed by the FAA, it isn't just a look the other way sort of thing.  However, I cannot provide the reference to back that statement up with authority, I just believe I read it while doing some research some years ago.  Someone else will have to prove it right or wrong as I do not have time at the moment.  Sorry to make a claim without the reference to back it up.  But I do know from firsthand experience that many projects do get completed as I described with no problems in the final licensing.
 
Jim
 
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:41 AM
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>
> Could I buy a project and have a local A and P friend finish it? Would this be legit as an Experimental Amateur Built?
>

The #1 rule is that at least 51% must have been built "by amateurs" which means you didn't pay someone build the major portion. And you need to be able to prove that 51%



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Kolb FireFly and Trailer combo for Sale



>
> Moon Over my
> Shoulder
> Was flying at 2000 feet at 4:30 this evening. The sky was like
> gliding a canoe across a mirror-smooth lake. The sunset to the west reminiscent
> of a Spumoni ice cream sundae with swirls of crimson, saffrons and blues and the
> sun like a big round cloud-split cherry sinking into the horizon. Over my left
> shoulder was a perfect, half-round moon. Headlights on the expressway to the
> south looking like a string of pearls thrown upon a forest green quilted
> bedspread, stretching away to the darkening horizon.
>
> My little airplane
> was serenely flying in the warm, soft air that whistled through the wires of her
> wings. God had painted this sky just for my eyes. I was alone with my thoughts,
> high above a darkening patchwork of farmland and forest as long shadows
> stretched across the meadows below. Here and there, a deer or two standing
> perfectly still amongst rows of corn, or at the edge of a treeline shadow cast
> upon the field below.
>
> I drew a long, deep breath of clear, purifying air
> into my lungs. Then, a smile slowly creased my face, and I turned my little ship
> toward home.
 
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Options for Partially Completed Kit

>
> Could I buy a project and have a local A and P friend finish it? Would this be legit as an Experimental Amateur Built?
>

The #1 rule is that at least 51% must have been built "by amateurs" which means you didn't pay someone build the major portion. And you need to be able to prove that 51%




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Options for Partially Completed Kit

Hello Group,

I currently have a SP PPC license and have been looking into the Zenith Ch 750 or 701 as well as the Kitfox.

I see people selling projects where they completed 60-90 percent of the work but do not have the time or money to finish the project. What are the options for buying a kit like this?

Could I buy a project and have a local A and P friend finish it? Would this be legit as an Experimental Amateur Built?

Thanks for your time,

Wesley



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Thursday, November 22, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Kolb FireFly and Trailer combo for Sale

Gday All,

I'm from Australia, and just finished a tour of the western USA with a Kolb FireFly towed in a trailer. Flew from 46 airfields in 13 states. A great adventure! See the story and photos at www.jgwalkaboutusa.blogspot.com

But now I must return to Australia, and the aircraft and trailer are for sale. Details and photos of the aircraft and rig are in the blog.
Presently at St Cloud, FL, but can deliver anywhere.

John Gilpin
281 515 6020



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Monday, November 19, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: 912 preheaters



The Reiff preheater that I installed on my RV-12 works perfectly.  Very easy to install.

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I've used the Tanis preheater on our Rotaxes in Colorado, where it can get very cold (though today we're enjoying sunshine and temps in the mid 60s). The Tanis is great if you can keep your airplane plugged in for a few hours prior to flight. We would keep ours plugged in overnight, and the next morning the entire engine compartment would be nice an warm, even if it was 0 degrees outside.

- Chris

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> We are looking at preheater options from Spruce. Seems they range
> greatly in price. We are located in Maryland which isn't super cold,
> but just cold enough that things don't always want to start at 7am on a
> winter morning without preheat. Hoping to get some PIREPs on these,
> especially the cheapest one.
>
> List from cheap to expensive:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/enginepreheater.php?clickkey=138699
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/FBpreheatReiff.php?clickkey=138699
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/tanis3.php?clickkey=138699
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> Thanks!
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: 912 preheaters

I use the Reiff on my FD CTSW with Rotax 912 ULS. I installed it myself
(mine is an Experimental aircraft and I have a LSMR-A certificate).
The heater performed well in an unheated hangar in Iowa last winter. I
typically plug it in overnight and cover the cowling with an old sleeping
bag. The oil temperature will be in the 60°F range the next morning. As
I recall, once or twice I plugged it in for a same-day flight and it takes
a few hours to get up to the 40°F area, but I'll admit those times were
seldom and I won't testify on the heating time and temp.
I installed the heater system in a hurry when it was already cold in
November anticipating a flight to Denver. When I arrived, I found the pad
that fits on the engine had come loose. The problem was caused because I
hadn't followed installation instructions carefully and had tried to
install it at too cold a temperature so the epoxy had not set up properly
before I used the plane. There was some information that the attachment
epoxy would "cure in operation" but other information contradicts that. I
recommend that you carefully follow manufacturer's installation
instructions, especially on the epoxy.
I called the company, talked to the president, who talked me through the
simple fix. The heating pad was not damaged so I cleaned the epoxy off,
used J-B Weld and reapplied the heating pad at the correct ambient
temperature. I felt better using some blocking and shims like you use to
wedge a window or door frame into position (little wooden wedges) to hold
the pad firmly against the engine till it cured. (I braced it against
some exhaust plumbing.) Also, use the right amount but not too much epoxy
- it's easy to put on too much. In my application, it was easiest to get
more room to work, especially in cleaning the engine block, by removing
the oil filter, so I installed it at an oil change. An active FD dealer
in Stanton, MN uses Reiff.
I've not used other heaters so can't say anything one way or the other on
them.
I'm happy with my decision to use Reiff. I think it was good value for
the money and didn't change any Rotax approved fasteners. The initial
installation problem was my fault - I should have read the instructions
better and followed them closer, but in the event there was no harm done
and it works well now.



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Sunday, November 18, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 912 preheaters

We are looking at preheater options from Spruce. Seems they range
greatly in price. We are located in Maryland which isn't super cold,
but just cold enough that things don't always want to start at 7am on a
winter morning without preheat. Hoping to get some PIREPs on these,
especially the cheapest one.

List from cheap to expensive:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/enginepreheater.php?clickkey=138699
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/FBpreheatReiff.php?clickkey=138699
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/tanis3.php?clickkey=138699

Thanks!
Helen


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Saturday, November 10, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Fwd: News Release of SeaRey being LSA compliant [5 Attachments]

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Progressive Aerodyne, Inc., (PA) the manufacturer of SeaRey, Light Sport Amphibian Airplane, successfully passed an FAA Light Sport Aircraft Prototype Audit by the audit team from FAA AIR-200 in Washington D.C. and obtained an airworthiness certification from the FAA Orlando MIDO (Manufacturing Inspection District Offices) office on November 8, 2012. 

PA has been working for a few years diligently to meet relevant ASTM standards and FAA regulations with help and guidance from SilverLight Aviation.  PA was the first one out of seven Light Sport Aircraft manufacturers  in the past two years to pass the FAA audit without any major findings. “It was very commendable” said one of the auditors at the out-brief.

PA has been selling the same model kit of the two place amphibian airplane for the past twenty years.   “We will carry on the legacy of the beloved SeaRey in the production airplane”, said Kerry Richter, the President of Progressive Aerodyne, Inc. 

PA will start production of the compliant airplane immediately to meet the long expected market demand.  New factory-built airplanes will be delivered to customers who put down a deposit in a couple of months.  “This is a milestone for PA to get to the next level of company growth and treat it as a new start of world class manufacturing and service.”  Adam, the CEO said. PA is committed to make continuous effort providing customers with the high quality SeaRey with proven extraordinary performance by strictly following  the ASTM standards and FAA regulations to keep its leading position on the sport amphibian airplane market.

 





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Friday, November 9, 2012

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group SeaRey LS passes FAA audit with flying colors

Yesterday SeaRey LS amphibian airplane past FAA LSA Audit for first make and model with only minor findings. According to the FAA AIR-200 audit team, the first LSA manufacturer they have audited here in the US or abroad to not have a major finding or a critical finding. They termed it "commendable" and "it is a pleasure to be here".
Good to know hard work and engineering proof pays off. For me and SilverLight Aviation engineers it was a blistering pace of work and progress after taking the project over and finding things rather not to snuff.
Check more about it
http://www.bydanjohnson.com/

Congrats to the whole Progressive Aerodyne team and congrats to Dan Saunders (Mechanical engineer and Solid Works extra-ordinairre), Laurent Thevenot (Mechanical and structural engineer and my good friend from France), Stacey (IT and technical documentation) from SilverLight Aviation's team.

http://www.searey.com

We found FAA auditors very reasonable.
Abid Farooqui
SilverLight Aviation
http://www.silverlightaviation.com



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