That was the Powers & Bashforth "Mini Master", which I saw at Oshkosh circa 1990-91? There was only 1 prototype made before they went out of business. It used Rotax 582 two stroke engines....it was before the four stroke Rotax 912/914 was available and since the two stroke engines were perceived to be somewhat unreliable, the Mini Master concept was an attempt to reduce concerns about engine failure issues. But having to pay for two engines made the project uneconomical since good light 4 strokes were known to be in coming (just my opinion).
There were some photos on the net some years ago, showing the one prototype abandoned/derelict at a small airfield, I think it was somewhere in the Northwest (Washington?)
A Google search for"Powers & Bashforth" shows much more info.
Rich A.
From: "Robert and Barbara McDonagh" <airpark@embarqmail.com>
To: "No Reply" <notify-dg-Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Sport Aircraft" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:58:04 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2884[7 Attachments]
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There were some photos on the net some years ago, showing the one prototype abandoned/derelict at a small airfield, I think it was somewhere in the Northwest (Washington?)
A Google search for"Powers & Bashforth" shows much more info.
Rich A.
From: "Robert and Barbara McDonagh" <airpark@embarqmail.com>
To: "No Reply" <notify-dg-Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Sport Aircraft" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:58:04 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2884[7 Attachments]
Wasn't there a light sport on the market; that was a push puller plane? It looked like a small Cessnaa? great looking. being a twine engine, I don't know if that fits it into the light sport catagory. I think it wes made in the midwest. ? Bob McDonagh
Alex, My phone number is below. I just bought a Sonex with a Jab 3300. Haven't taken possession of it yet and when I do i have to get a few hours of dual in it to satisfy the insurance people. For now I will be based at the Oroville (KOVE) airport and eventually at Paradise (CA92), which is closer to where I live (Magalia). If you fly into Paradise I could pick you up. It's a private field, but I can get the OK for you to land there. I'd love to talk blue sky projects as I have many and am always interested in what others are dreaming up. I have attached some photos of a 1/4 scale model of the CCW project that is based on a Titan II. Also included one of a 3/4 scale P-39 mock-up that's hanging in my shop and one of my rolling test stand that has a variable ratio reduction unit driving the prop.
Vince Homer
(760) 375-4554
(626) 497-8735 (C)
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
From: acensor@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:01:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
Send me your phone number as a private reply if you'd like to sometime meet face to face just for fun.
I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
Also totally blue sky.
Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
Alex
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
> Hi Vince,
>
>
>
> See ---
>
> http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> -- where it reads
>
> "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
>
>
> In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
>
>
> By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
3 New Messages
Digest #2884
1a
Re: LSA Rule Question by "circicirci" circicirci
1b
Re: LSA Rule Question by "Vincent Homer" vhhomer
1c
Re: LSA Rule Question by "Vince" vhhomer
Messages
Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:01 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"circicirci" circicirci
Send me your phone number as a private reply if you'd like to sometime meet face to face just for fun.
I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
Also totally blue sky.
Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
Alex
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
> Hi Vince,
>
>
>
> See ---
>
> http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> -- where it reads
>
> "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
>
>
> In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
>
>
> By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
Also totally blue sky.
Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
Alex
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
> Hi Vince,
>
>
>
> See ---
>
> http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> -- where it reads
>
> "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
>
>
> In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
>
>
> By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:28 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Vincent Homer" vhhomer
Alex, My phone number is below. I just bought a Sonex with a Jab 3300. Haven't taken possession of it yet and when I do i have to get a few hours of dual in it to satisfy the insurance people. For now I will be based at the Oroville (KOVE) airport and eventually at Paradise (CA92), which is closer to where I live (Magalia). If you fly into Paradise I could pick you up. It's a private field, but I can get the OK for you to land there. I'd love to talk blue sky projects as I have many and am always interested in what others are dreaming up. I have attached some photos of a 1/4 scale model of the CCW project that is based on a Titan II. Also included one of a 3/4 scale P-39 mock-up that's hanging in my shop and one of my rolling test stand that has a variable ratio reduction unit driving the prop.
Vince Homer
(760) 375-4554
(626) 497-8735 (C)
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
From: acensor@fastmail.fm
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:01:38 +0000
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
Send me your phone number as a private reply if you'd like to sometime meet face to face just for fun.
I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
Also totally blue sky.
Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
Alex
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
> Hi Vince,
>
>
>
> See ---
>
> http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> -- where it reads
>
> "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
>
>
> In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
>
>
> By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
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Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 pm (PST) . Posted by:
"Vince" vhhomer
I forgot that photos don't show up on the message board.
Vince Homer
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, My phone number is below. I just bought a Sonex with a Jab 3300. Haven't taken possession of it yet and when I do i have to get a few hours of dual in it to satisfy the insurance people. For now I will be based at the Oroville (KOVE) airport and eventually at Paradise (CA92), which is closer to where I live (Magalia). If you fly into Paradise I could pick you up. It's a private field, but I can get the OK for you to land there. I'd love to talk blue sky projects as I have many and am always interested in what others are dreaming up. I have attached some photos of a 1/4 scale model of the CCW project that is based on a Titan II. Also included one of a 3/4 scale P-39 mock-up that's hanging in my shop and one of my rolling test stand that has a variable ratio reduction unit driving the prop.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:01:38 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Send me your phone number as a private reply if you'd like to sometime meet face to face just for fun.
>
> I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
>
> and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
>
>
>
> Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
>
> And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
>
> Also totally blue sky.
>
>
>
> Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> >
>
> > Vince Homer
>
> >
>
> > (760) 375-4554
>
> >
>
> > (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> >
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: acensor@
>
> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
>
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi Vince,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > See ---
>
> >
>
> > http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> >
>
> > -- where it reads
>
> >
>
> > "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Alex
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> >
>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
Vince Homer
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Alex, My phone number is below. I just bought a Sonex with a Jab 3300. Haven't taken possession of it yet and when I do i have to get a few hours of dual in it to satisfy the insurance people. For now I will be based at the Oroville (KOVE) airport and eventually at Paradise (CA92), which is closer to where I live (Magalia). If you fly into Paradise I could pick you up. It's a private field, but I can get the OK for you to land there. I'd love to talk blue sky projects as I have many and am always interested in what others are dreaming up. I have attached some photos of a 1/4 scale model of the CCW project that is based on a Titan II. Also included one of a 3/4 scale P-39 mock-up that's hanging in my shop and one of my rolling test stand that has a variable ratio reduction unit driving the prop.
>
> Vince Homer
>
> (760) 375-4554
>
> (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> From: acensor@...
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:01:38 +0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Send me your phone number as a private reply if you'd like to sometime meet face to face just for fun.
>
> I'm a two hour flight in my LSA from Corning,
>
> and very occassionally fly down there to get Brian (who is a VERY experienced Rotax and LSA guy) work on my plane.
>
>
>
> Don't know if it's practical but I'd love to see a single engine driving counter rotating front and back props.
>
> And a way to disingauge one prop for low fuel use cruising.
>
> Also totally blue sky.
>
>
>
> Interesting, that a private pilot can fly even a true multiengine EXPERIMENTAL without a multiengine rating, though.
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Vincent Homer <vhhomer@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Alex, Thanks for the reply. I used to work wirth Brian and live about 30 miles from his home aitport. I will have to stop by there and see the airplane. I have read some about it and it's quite a project. The reason for this inquiry is I am looking at a future project involving a Custer Channel wing aircraft using a Titan, or similar, fuselage as a start and single engine driving two props, one in each channel. Just blue sky at this point.
>
> >
>
> > Vince Homer
>
> >
>
> > (760) 375-4554
>
> >
>
> > (626) 497-8735 (C)
>
> >
>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: acensor@
>
> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:32:34 +0000
>
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi Vince,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > See ---
>
> >
>
> > http://www.electricmotorglider.com/index.html
>
> >
>
> > -- where it reads
>
> >
>
> > "FAA regulations do not require a pilot to possess a multiengine rating when flying a single place [mulitengine] experimental aircraft. A multiengine rating would be required for the carriage of passengers."
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In short, you could fly a two propeller _single_ engine two propeller experimental single seat aircraft with a sport pilot license as long as it complied with the rest of the LSA definition.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > By the way, that link is a very interesting site about a two prop electric powered motor glider being developed currently by Brian Carpenter.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Alex
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> >
>
> > > From: Vince <vhhomer@>
>
> >
>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:35 PM
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Rule Question
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > The LSA requirements state, "single engine and fixed pitch or ground adjustable propeller." Does the use of the singular term, "propeller," limit a builder to only one?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Does anyone have an opinion, or better yet, an official ruling on the use of one engine and two propellers either in the contra-rotating or or separate configuration like the Wright Brothers Flyer?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
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