Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group problems with Kieve Prop

I have the Kieve or hot prop on my 912 uls and had to buy a new set of blades.  The foam came loose inside one of the blades and was pressing against the tip about 2 inches in.  I could feel and see the bubble.  We cut the tip off and sure enough the foam had come loose and a chunk was causing the bulge.  I have close to 500 hrs on the prop and live here in hilo hawaii.  Plane is always under a roof with good ventilation but hawaii is humid.  Don't know it this was the cause of the foam breaking loose or not.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

that is what it looked like to me to. Didn't see much of a flare at all.

 

Martin

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Chris Holub <chris.holub@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I'm glad you all liked it and it's funny how we all watched the video but didn't interpret it the same way. Maybe if we got to see it from the outside too that would get us all closer in agreement.
I'm just a student pilot 11.1 hrs so far flying a 2003 Piper Archer III but to me it did look like he didn't flare much at all and had too much airspeed and came in flat if not more on the nose which is what I said when I posted this to start with and that I think that first hit probably broke the nose gear and then when he settled back in after the bounce it couldn't hold its own weight anymore and collapsed.
My instructors hands are hovering over the yoke at all times when I am landing and I have my hand on the throttle at all times when taking off or landing.

Cheers,
Chris

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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

20 seconds into the final. He was to high to land at that point in the first
place.

Gary Orpe

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->At what moment should that student or instructor have
->moved the throttle to full power for a go-around?
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

Sounds like you are a good instructor.

I didn't catch how many hours he had.

Thomas

On 8/25/2010 1:30 PM, Helen Woods wrote:

 

The way I handle a landing with a student who I know is having sight picture or other landing issues is to cage the stick so the student can never push the nose down enough to land on it.  If there is a bounce on the mains I will hold the stick aft to keep the student from trying to force the plane back down and ensure that any subsequent bounces are on the mains.  I add power immediately after the first bounce on the mains (or if there is a stall coming right before it breaks) and execute a go-around and a lecture about what a bounce looks like and how it requires the student to go-around.  I do not teach recoveries from bounces or balloons with a student this early in his training, just go-arounds.

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>That's an interesting piece of video.
>And it sparked off comments from a good number of pilots.
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>Here's my question:
>At what moment should that student or instructor have
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Re: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

The way I handle a landing with a student who I know is having sight picture or other landing issues is to cage the stick so the student can never push the nose down enough to land on it.  If there is a bounce on the mains I will hold the stick aft to keep the student from trying to force the plane back down and ensure that any subsequent bounces are on the mains.  I add power immediately after the first bounce on the mains (or if there is a stall coming right before it breaks) and execute a go-around and a lecture about what a bounce looks like and how it requires the student to go-around.  I do not teach recoveries from bounces or balloons with a student this early in his training, just go-arounds.

Helen


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>That's an interesting piece of video.
>And it sparked off comments from a good number of pilots.
>(which was nice to see)
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>Here's my question:
>At what moment should that student or instructor have
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

> Here's my question:
> At what moment should that student or instructor have
> moved the throttle to full power for a go-around?
> Mike

> From: jimbair@live.com
> Never? Because go arounds just cause crashes?
> (I hope I get the answer right.)
> [Smile emoticon] Jim

LOL
I trust you noticed the guy -did- crash, Jim.

So, the question again, for other contributors:
> At what moment should that student or instructor have

> moved the throttle to full power for a go-around?

> Mike

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

Never?  Because go arounds just cause crashes? 

 

(I hope I get the answer right.)

 

 

  Jim

 

From: Michael Huckle

Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:54 PM

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Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Remos Nose Gear Collapse

 

That's an interesting piece of video.
And it sparked off comments from a good number of pilots.
(which was nice to see)

Here's my question:
At what moment should that student or instructor have
moved the throttle to full power for a go-around?

Thanks,
Mike

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