Not everything in the Wikipedia is correct as ANYONE can add or edit their articles.
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bair
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:46 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
No argument Richard. You are absolutely correct in your dictionary context. You win.
Meanwhile, I'm guessing the rest of the world will continue using it as a name for a maneuver that involves teaching a student to coordinate the rudder with aileron input. Whether you and wikipedia like it or not. lol.
Jim
From: Richard Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
Cy,
this definition:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
is what I learned in commercial aviation when I designed the software to perform
a 'yaw damper' action.
It has nothing to do with turn coordination and/or 'stepping on the ball'.
Any use of the term 'dutch roll' as a training activity of stepping on the
rudder and/or activating the ailerons is a misnomer.
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@mchsi.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:58:59 -0500
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
> I'm sorry but a "dutch" Roll is a good rudder coordination
> maneuver. It does not have to be violent or dangerous.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:21 PM To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> abart,
>
> here is the definition of a dutch roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
>
> here is the definition of a barrel roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_roll>
>
> Generally, you should not be learning either maneuver while learning
> to fly.
>
> The dutch roll is a stability problem with air planes
> The barrel roll is a aerobatic maneuver that most air planes are not
> safe to perform (most air planes (other than stunt planes) have
> prohibitions on maneuvers that bring the wings and/or nose more than
> 60 degrees from horizontal.)
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: <abartz@gmail.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 16 Oct 2013 20:57:43 -0700
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> > Okay, first I need to correct my previous post. I learned Dutch rolls,
> > not Barrel rolls. So, along with my flight lessons, my terminology
> > is improving as well.
> >
> > I have 9 hours under my belt at this point, and feel pretty
> > comfortable in all the maneuvers learned so far. I find that landing
> > the plane is still an anxious moment for me. In fact, I dread that
> > moment. Maybe Im over-thinking the process. Seems like a lot of
> > information being processed at the same time. We did some touch and
> > goes today which seem to help Hopefully by the time I am ready to
> > solo, it clicks.
> >
> > Alan
> > So Cal
> > Hemet Ryan Flight School
> > SkyCatcher 162
> >
> > ---In sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com, <rk911@...> wrote:
> >
> > alan, my first attempt at taxiing was something for the books. it was
> > not
> pretty. don't know what you're training in but once you get the
> > hang of it
> it'll be second nature to you. just remember not to taxi
> > faster than a
> brisk walk and be sure to orient the ailerons properly
> > for the wind. you'll
> be fine. I still remember the first time I was
> > allowed to take off...what a
> rush!
> >
> > '73,
> > rich, n9dko
> > If you think women are the weaker sex just try pulling the blankets
> > back to
> your side.
> _________________________________
> Today was my
> > second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for
> today.
> > I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for
> questions
> > I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the
> aircraft I
> > am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my
> head
> > for the week.
> >
> > This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-OFF
> > under my
> own control. What a rush!
> >
> > Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns,
> > and
> barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane
> > in line.
> This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the
> > foot pedals
> with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the
> > maneuver.
> The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I
> > was instructed to
> head back to the airport and make our decent. My
> > instructor took over and
> brought us in for the final and landing.
> >
> > I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the
> > yellow
> line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.
> ------- End of Original Message -------
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