RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point

Richard,

Is it possible that the term Dutch Roll has been used often enough in place of rudder and aileron control maneuvers, that perhaps it has attained that meaning as well? As instructors learn, communication is accomplished when both parties have a shared understanding of what has been communicated. Consider that (probably) every member of this group knew what meaning was being conveyed, perhaps the words were adequate?

 

We all say Velcro when we mean loop and hook fasteners, even if the Velcro folks also make adhesive based fasteners.

 

We all say Scotch tape when we mean cellophane tape, even when the Scotch folks make bubble wrap and scissors.

 

Even the EAA published an article by NAFI about Dutch Rolls.

http://www.eaa.org/intheloop/articles/1006_dutch_roll.asp

 

If not, please provide the colloquial term we should be using for stick and rudder coordination exercises.

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:53 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point

 

 

Cy,

this definition:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
is what I learned in commercial aviation when I designed the software to perform
a 'yaw damper' action.
It has nothing to do with turn coordination and/or 'stepping on the ball'.

Any use of the term 'dutch roll' as a training activity of stepping on the
rudder and/or activating the ailerons is a misnomer.

R. Williams

---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@mchsi.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:58:59 -0500
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point

> I'm sorry but a "dutch" Roll is a good rudder coordination
> maneuver. It does not have to be violent or dangerous.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Williams
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 12:21 PM To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> abart,
>
> here is the definition of a dutch roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
>
> here is the definition of a barrel roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_roll>
>
> Generally, you should not be learning either maneuver while learning
> to fly.
>
> The dutch roll is a stability problem with air planes
> The barrel roll is a aerobatic maneuver that most air planes are not
> safe to perform (most air planes (other than stunt planes) have
> prohibitions on maneuvers that bring the wings and/or nose more than
> 60 degrees from horizontal.)
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: <abartz@gmail.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 16 Oct 2013 20:57:43 -0700
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> > Okay, first I need to correct my previous post. I learned Dutch rolls,
> > not Barrel rolls. So, along with my flight lessons, my terminology
> > is improving as well.
> >
> > I have 9 hours under my belt at this point, and feel pretty
> > comfortable in all the maneuvers learned so far. I find that landing
> > the plane is still an anxious moment for me. In fact, I dread that
> > moment. Maybe Im over-thinking the process. Seems like a lot of
> > information being processed at the same time. We did some touch and
> > goes today which seem to help Hopefully by the time I am ready to
> > solo, it clicks.
> >
> > Alan
> > So Cal
> > Hemet Ryan Flight School
> > SkyCatcher 162
> >
> > ---In sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com, <rk911@...> wrote:
> >
> > alan, my first attempt at taxiing was something for the books. it was
> > not
> pretty. don't know what you're training in but once you get the
> > hang of it
> it'll be second nature to you. just remember not to taxi
> > faster than a
> brisk walk and be sure to orient the ailerons properly
> > for the wind. you'll
> be fine. I still remember the first time I was
> > allowed to take off...what a
> rush!
> >
> > '73,
> > rich, n9dko
> > If you think women are the weaker sex just try pulling the blankets
> > back to
> your side.
> _________________________________
> Today was my
> > second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for
> today.
> > I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for
> questions
> > I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the
> aircraft I
> > am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my
> head
> > for the week.
> >
> > This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-OFF
> > under my
> own control. What a rush!
> >
> > Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns,
> > and
> barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane
> > in line.
> This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the
> > foot pedals
> with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the
> > maneuver.
> The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I
> > was instructed to
> head back to the airport and make our decent. My
> > instructor took over and
> brought us in for the final and landing.
> >
> > I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the
> > yellow
> line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.
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