You can provide a student with correct terminology without being denograting about him inadvertantly using incorect terminology. Somehow, I suspect that you may not have had a full, complete, and diverse aviation vocabulary either when you were on lesson one. Welcome him to the fold and guide him along the path, don't discourage him from sharing in his adventures in learning on this list.
Helen
Helen,
Usually, I agree with you and your statements.
However, in this instance, I disagree.
I believe that a student pilot should be using the correct/same names for things
as the experienced pilots.
Otherwise, when the hanger discussion broaches aviation topics one (or both)
sides of the discussion will be confused/mislead/ and/or thinking the other side
does not know what they are talking about.
Proper aviation training should/must include proper terminology.
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
> Oh, come on guys. Stop giving him a hard time. We all know that
> general coordination training maneuvers are generally (if incorrectly)
> called dutch rolls and we know all exactly what he is talking about.
> Congratulate him on learning to correctly use a rudder (which so many
> pilots don't). Don't give him a hard time about his syntax. He's a
> student. Welcome him into the aviation fold and save the vocabulary
> lesson for English class.
>
> Helen
>
> On 10/17/13, Richard Williams<rkwill@lewiscounty.com> wrote:
>
> abart,
>
> here is the definition of a dutch roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
>
> here is the definition of a barrel roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_roll>
>
> Generally, you should not be learning either maneuver while learning
> to fly.
>
> The dutch roll is a stability problem with air planes
> The barrel roll is a aerobatic maneuver that most air planes are not
> safe to perform (most air planes (other than stunt planes) have
> prohibitions on maneuvers that bring the wings and/or nose more than
> 60 degrees from horizontal.)
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: <abartz@gmail.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 16 Oct 2013 20:57:43 -0700!
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> > Okay, first I need to correct my previous post. I learned Dutch rolls,
> > not Barrel rolls. So, along with my flight lessons, my terminology
> > is improving as well.
> >
> > I have 9 hours under my belt at this point, and feel pretty
> > comfortable in all the maneuvers learned so far. I find that landing
> > the plane is still an anxious moment for me. In fact, I dread that
> > moment. Maybe Im over-thinking the process. Seems like a lot of
> > information being processed at the same time. We did some touch and
> > goes today which seem to help Hopefully by the time I am ready to
> > solo, it clicks.
> >
> > Alan
> > So Cal
> > Hemet Ryan Flight School
> > SkyCatcher 162
> >
> > ---In sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com, <rk911@...> wrote:
> >
> > alan, my first attempt at ta!xiing was something for the books. it was
> > not
> pretty. don't know what you're training in but once you get the
> > hang of it
> it'll be second nature to you. just remember not to taxi
> > faster than a
> brisk walk and be sure to orient the ailerons properly
> > for the wind. you'll
> be fine. I still remember the first time I was
> > allowed to take off...what a
> rush!
> >
> > '73,
> > rich, n9dko
> > If you think women are the weaker sex just try pulling the blankets
> > back to
> your side.
> _________________________________
> Today was my
> > second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for
> today.
> > I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for
> questions
> > I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the
> aircraft I
> > am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my
> head
> > for the week.
> >
> &!gt; This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-
> OFF
> > under my
> own control. What a rush!
> >
> > Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns,
> > and
> barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane
> > in line.
> This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the
> > foot pedals
> with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the
> > maneuver.
> The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I
> > was instructed to
> head back to the airport and make our decent. My
> > instructor took over and
> brought us in for the final and landing.
> >
> > I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the
> > yellow
> line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>
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Usually, I agree with you and your statements.
However, in this instance, I disagree.
I believe that a student pilot should be using the correct/same names for things
as the experienced pilots.
Otherwise, when the hanger discussion broaches aviation topics one (or both)
sides of the discussion will be confused/mislead/ and/or thinking the other side
does not know what they are talking about.
Proper aviation training should/must include proper terminology.
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:57:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
> Oh, come on guys. Stop giving him a hard time. We all know that
> general coordination training maneuvers are generally (if incorrectly)
> called dutch rolls and we know all exactly what he is talking about.
> Congratulate him on learning to correctly use a rudder (which so many
> pilots don't). Don't give him a hard time about his syntax. He's a
> student. Welcome him into the aviation fold and save the vocabulary
> lesson for English class.
>
> Helen
>
> On 10/17/13, Richard Williams<rkwill@lewiscounty.com> wrote:
>
> abart,
>
> here is the definition of a dutch roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll>
>
> here is the definition of a barrel roll:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_roll>
>
> Generally, you should not be learning either maneuver while learning
> to fly.
>
> The dutch roll is a stability problem with air planes
> The barrel roll is a aerobatic maneuver that most air planes are not
> safe to perform (most air planes (other than stunt planes) have
> prohibitions on maneuvers that bring the wings and/or nose more than
> 60 degrees from horizontal.)
>
> R. Williams
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: <abartz@gmail.com>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 16 Oct 2013 20:57:43 -0700!
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: A starting point
>
> > Okay, first I need to correct my previous post. I learned Dutch rolls,
> > not Barrel rolls. So, along with my flight lessons, my terminology
> > is improving as well.
> >
> > I have 9 hours under my belt at this point, and feel pretty
> > comfortable in all the maneuvers learned so far. I find that landing
> > the plane is still an anxious moment for me. In fact, I dread that
> > moment. Maybe Im over-thinking the process. Seems like a lot of
> > information being processed at the same time. We did some touch and
> > goes today which seem to help Hopefully by the time I am ready to
> > solo, it clicks.
> >
> > Alan
> > So Cal
> > Hemet Ryan Flight School
> > SkyCatcher 162
> >
> > ---In sport_aircraft@yahoogroups.com, <rk911@...> wrote:
> >
> > alan, my first attempt at ta!xiing was something for the books. it was
> > not
> pretty. don't know what you're training in but once you get the
> > hang of it
> it'll be second nature to you. just remember not to taxi
> > faster than a
> brisk walk and be sure to orient the ailerons properly
> > for the wind. you'll
> be fine. I still remember the first time I was
> > allowed to take off...what a
> rush!
> >
> > '73,
> > rich, n9dko
> > If you think women are the weaker sex just try pulling the blankets
> > back to
> your side.
> _________________________________
> Today was my
> > second time up. The week dragged by with much anticipation for
> today.
> > I read my student book cover to cover twice, took notes for
> questions
> > I wanted to ask, filled in all the blanks according to the
> aircraft I
> > am studying in, and went through every normal procedure in my
> head
> > for the week.
> >
> &!gt; This morning I got to do the pre flight, taxi, run-up, and TAKE-
> OFF
> > under my
> own control. What a rush!
> >
> > Once up I learned rudder and aileron control to make 30 degree turns,
> > and
> barrel maneuvers while pointed at a fixed point to keep the plane
> > in line.
> This took a few tries, but then I was able to coordinate the
> > foot pedals
> with the stick and kept it pointing straight through the
> > maneuver.
> The time flew by (quite literally) and before I knew it, I
> > was instructed to
> head back to the airport and make our decent. My
> > instructor took over and
> brought us in for the final and landing.
> >
> > I am looking forward to next week! I hope I can at least follow the
> > yellow
> line by then while taxiing. That seems the hardest part so far.
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>
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>
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>
>
>
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