RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?

Lyle,

Interesting.
I noticed there is no requirement for any aircraft motion.
So, it seems that when I'm sitting in the cockpit and 'manipulating' the
controls (and making room room sounds?) that I can log that as PIC time.

R. Williams



---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Lyle Cox" <LyleCox@funaerosports.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:36:33 -0600
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?

> But…
>
> FAR Part 61.51 describes what is loggable time.
>
> Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational,
> private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in
> command flight time for flights-
>
> (i) When the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an
> aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges
> for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating
> is appropriate;
>
> (ii) When the pilot is the sole occupant in the aircraft;
>
> It appears that whenever he is manipulating the controls as the sole
> maniupulator, OR is the sole occupant (which he said he would be),
> that would be time that could be logged as PIC.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Bair Sent:
> Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:08 AM To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?
>
> My point is, when we are giving advice, and people are electing to
> take or not take that advice, it's nice to know what the basis for
> the advice is. What experience specifically would give a person
> confidence that the experience is a valid basis for the advice given?
> To simply say "experience" is to basically say, "I'm just
> pulling this info out of my ass because it sounds good to me." I
> know it would be a really cheap and handy way to build flight time,
> but in this case, I also know what the FARs say. Does just sitting
> in the airplane with the engine running ever count as flight time?
> Does it ever NOT count as flight time? Can you give some examples
> of both, or in your experience does an engine running always count as
> flight time?
>
> Jim
>
> From: Lyle Cox <mailto:LyleCox@funaerosports.com>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 9:12 AM
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?
>
> My basis is experience.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Bair Sent:
> Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:06 PM To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?
>
> And your basis for this comment is......? Like, can you cite a legal
> source? An FAR, for example.
>
> Jim
>
> From: Lyle Cox <mailto:LyleCox@funaerosports.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 12:50 PM
>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?
>
> Let's put it this way………if you have an accident during this
> taxi time, both your insurance and the FAA will say you were
> "flying". I'd log it and note it in the comment section.
>
> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rob_waltman Sent:
> Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:10 AM To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Logging taxi time?
>
> Sorry, this is not LSA specific, but I hope I'll get some
> knowledgeable answers. I hold a private pilot certificate, and will be
> flying a Kitfox experimental under LSA rules. Both the Kitfox and I
> are being put back into service after a long hiatus. I have a current
> BFR and tailwheel endorsement. The airplane had its annual inspection
> 10 days ago, and I have been taking lessons in Cubs, Champs and a
> Kitfox-like Aerotek. I decided I will not try to fly it until I have
> several hours of taxi testing, to the point that I feel comfortable
> "driving" it on the ground. My question is, can/should I log this taxi
> hours as PIC time? On one hand, this is not flying. On the other, I am
> gaining proficiency in the ground handling of an aircraft that has a
> reputation for being very sensitive to control inputs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roberto.
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