RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: So much for Cessna

I never said, implied or meant to imply that two 200-250 pound persons could or would find the 162 useful or practical. on the contrary I'd love to be able take my buddies up but most of them are of the 200+ pound variety making it pointless. my comment was a rebuttal to the 162 being useless for most anyone, the example being someone who weighed more than 80-lbs and that, you'll agree, is just false. the LSA's have their limitations and we can all debate the point of the LSA program, the resulting FAA weight limits and the practicality of the Skycatcher ad infinitum.

btw, on page iii of my 162 POH it states that the max gross T/O weight is 1320-lbs. I was taught 6-lbs per gallon for fuel and that's what the W&B calculator in the plane uses....144-lbs for a full load. the empty weight of the plane I prefer to fly is 847-lbs. assuming 10-lbs of baggage I can safely and legally lift me, 200-lbs, a 190-lb passenger and 12-gallons of fuel. that's good for about an hour and still maintain my personal 60-minute fuel reserve. anyone heavier and we're gonna just work the pattern...and not for very long. if I've done the math and plotting correctly 400-lbs of passengers/bags and 72-lbs of fuel produces a CG within limits.

I appreciate your issues and completely agree with your sentiments regarding weights. I've seen proposals to adjust the max T/O weight for LSAs to allow for a max *empty* weight of 1320-lbs and then two 250-lb persons plus a full load of fuel. hope that sees some action. as for me I hope to be able to move up quickly to the private certificate and a 172. I've got most of my requirements done other than a longer cross-country, night flying and the hood work.

'73,
rich, n9dko
I'd start lifting weights...but i figure if something's heavy it must be nature's way of telling me not to pick it up.
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Richard B,

The max TO weight is 1340 pounds
the empty weight of the standard model is 843 pounds
The fuel capacity is 24 gal * 6.25 pounds is ~150 pounds
so useful load is 347 pounds.

Most people, now a days, are 200-250 pounds.
I.E. there is not enough payload for two typical people.
And with my 310 pounds, there is 37 pounds for the instructor.

Unfortunately, Cessna seems to be using the 'standard individual weight of a
male adult person, as defined by the FnAA Rather than the reality.

I'm not familiar with the CG range, but very likely, a full payload (347 pounds
+ full fuel would result in a tail heavy condition.
(remember the testing where the test pilot could not get the plane out of a spin
because it is too tail heavy?

R. Williams





---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Richard Bauer" <rk911@yahoo.com>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:57:40 -0600
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group RE: So much for Cessna

> that's just not the case. I finished my training in a 162 last
> august. I'm 6'1 @ 200 and my CFI was smaller but he weighed in at 140
> which is considerably more than 80. in the 162 that we normally flew
> we were able to put 18-gallons into the tanks and still be under max
> gross. yes, I'm new and no, apart from a 152 I flew 30-years ago I
> have no current experience in anything other than a 162 but I did and
> still do enjoy it and am hopeful that the FBO I rent from will
> continue to offer them. I do plan to move up to my private but in the
> meantime I'm having a blast in the 162 and I'm sorry to see Cessna
> drop them.
>
> '73,
> rich, n9dko
> When it comes to chocolate, resistance is futile
> ______________________________
> …It was supposed to be a trainer but would be over weight with a CFI
> who weighed over 80 lbs. Not to many of them around. Then if you put
> gas in it it was really over weight. Kinda tough to fly w/o gas. Then
> if you bent it up the insurance company probably wouldn't pay…
------- End of Original Message -------



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