Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group So much for Cessna

What is NGP?

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From: "Helen Woods" <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
To: "Sport Aircraft" <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:01:59 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group So much for Cessna

 

I respectful, fully and completely, disagree. 

The economy was at its peak when the NGP flopped. 

The NGP faced no more lawsuits than the Cirrus (a plane that couldn't even pass the spin test) that it was supposed to compete against. 

The NGP was targeting the same customer base as the Cirrus which continues to sell quite well.

Nope, the problem is Cessna.

Helen

On 2/13/2014 10:55 AM, Dwayne wrote:

There are plenty of skilled builders of single engine planes. . .

The problem is, the economy, the clients,  and the lawsuits.

the Economy has been tanking for years. 
the middleclass is shrinking,
the cost of fuel has skyrocketed.
the never ending demands of being perfect has grown.
those who are GA pilots have let their licenses go, or have lost them via a medical.
lawsuits galore when something happens to the airplane... whether it is of the pilots fault or not.
I have heard (though I can't back it up, but wouldn't surprise me) that a large percentage of the airplane cost, is from liability costs.
cost of manufacturing has risen tremendously.

Now. . .who in their right mind would spend 100,000 dollars, pay HUGE sales taxes, pay HUGE property taxes, for a airplane (and a SPL)  that they can only fly during the day, carry one other person other than the pilot, and flies like a Kite?  Only those with a tremendous amount of money to waste.

And those who are 200 + pounds are going to be pressed to find an instructor that wouldn't overload a LSP plane in the first place. . . making the ability for heavier people to train in one. . impossible. . . without being illegal.


The other choice in ?  And older airplane, same weight,  60,000 to 80,000 dollars less.  Property tax is cheaper(and probably non-existent), sales tax cheaper,  carries the same number of people, and  flies almost the same speed?

People with "some" leftover money will purchase these airplanes in a heartbeat, or try for a GA and purchase a Cessna 150, 172, Cherokee 140, 180, or equivalent.

The executives IMO were fools to fall for making such an airplane. . .

Anyone with any kind of business mind could easily see that it was almost guaranteed to fail.

I have been flying for over 35 years in the GA.  I finally said the heck with it. I let my medical lapse this past year, and hung up my wings. At the same time, I put almost 200 dollars worth of hanger rent in my pocket, 1500 to 2000 dollars a year worth of annuals in my pocket, and 5+ gallon of fuel equating to 45 to 50 dollars an hour flight time.

And the Executives expect the "average" someone to spend 80 to 100 thousand dollars on a new airplane?

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From: Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group So much for Cessna

 

No, it simply means that no one left at Cessna knows how to design a
piston single. Remember, their last two piston singles before the C162
flopped as well, and that was well before anyone had even thought of
sport pilot.

Helen

On 2/12/2014 7:38 PM, Richard Williams wrote:
> Fellow fliers,
>
> To me, this strongly suggests that Cessna fell for the
> mis-representations/exagerations that were pushed by the FnAA about sport pilot
> and LSA.
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> My understanding is several other companies were forced to close their doors
> after falling for the grandiose prophesies of sport pilot/LSA .
>
> I must admit, the first time I was face to face with a skycatcher I knew it
> would be a failure.
>
> I does look like a plane, but it is so small that I could not get my body
> (caveat: I do weight 300 pounds) into the cockpit.
>
> R. Williams
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>
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> From: "Bill Watson" <bill@sportpilot.info>
> To: <Sport_Pilot@yahoogroups.com>, <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:48:39 -0800
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group So much for Cessna
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>> from the EAA hotline:
>> Cessna quietly ends Skycatcher program
>> No official announcement has been made by Cessna Aircraft over the end
>> of its Skycatcher program, but the company has removed all evidence of
>> the aircraft from its website. According to AOPA, "The decision [to
>> stop selling the airplane] came in late January when dealers were
>> notified that the aircraft is no longer in the Cessna lineup." Cessna
>> had planned to build 700 Skycatchers per year, but fewer than 200
>> aircraft had actually been delivered since the program was launched in
>> 2007. Flying online (2/11), American City Business Journals/Wichita,
>> Kan./WBJ Biz Talk blog (2/11), AVweb (2/11)
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