Most people start out as a student pilot, they progressed up throught the system to the commerical and instructor ratings. (Never got my multi- engine instructor rating.) I don't see the need - for a 'one size - fits all' approach to pilot ratings. the three groupings you lay out - seem fine to me. Bob McDonagh (Freeezing - in not so hot - today - SW Florida.)
----- Original Message -----From: b dSent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:09 AMSubject: Fwd: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group New topic, what are we?
Quite an interesting oxymoron, you pose here Gary. Here is your question:Another something to think about is the effort to try to get GA to acceptLSA as general aircraft partners. I don't think that will ever be possible.That is like trying to make a UL a GA aircraft. No, I think we are stuckwith the three main groups staying what they are. It is sad it can't be allone family but no one seems to want that to happen, at least from what Ihave seen. As I see there is 3 basic groups1- UL, 254lbs empty, 5 gals or less, single seat part 103. no exceptions2- LSA Less than 1320 lbs gross, recip engine, one pilot one passenger only,less than 120 knots speed. Some exemptions3- GA up to 12,500 lbs, any engine, any speed with training, any part 23,more than one engine with endorsement, etc. Gobs of exceptions.What do you think? Will the three ever be accepted as one entity....flyersand pilots?Gary OrpeMy question is: Why should any other group or person accept you and your small world of LSA's when you yourself will not accept any other people and their opinions who come from more extensive and expansive backgrounds than you and wish to be able to express themselves openly and freely without feeling they have crossed someones invisible lines and personal rules? Your own example is just how and why people begin to segregate from each other and then you need to ask why? Just an observation that your own actions (by censoring me) may very well be the answer to your own question. Hint: look up the word bigotry, it applies to you and this very topic.Please don't censor this message, let the members discuss it and decide. please tell me if I exceed your word count rule and I will edit to conform. I believe i am concise and to the point and following your topic. Please correct me if I'm wrong or you disagree but don't censor my messages . . . please?BruceGary did go on to censor this after I asked him not to. I'm resending it now. There is so much that Gary doesn't know that he trys to cut the rest of the group out of. Very much like a wannabe dictator would act on his way to the top. Shut down any thinking onw doesn't understand or agree with.BruceOn Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Gary Orpe <garyo@bak.rr.com> wrote:Now there it is. Getting back to basics and what people come here to find
out. Thanks bill, we do have to stay with the rules as they are, or helpchange them (not the purpose of this group). Learning what LSA is and whatthe rules are and the craft available and personal flight reports, etc.that's what we need here in my opinion.Bill has been here since the beginning and start of LSA, a pioneer, and hasa mountain of info on his site that is well worth looking at:part103.org.Bill is a BFI as well. It was the FAA that wanted to get rid of the Heavy ULplight, as recorded by the EAA several times, that started the process nowknown as LSA movement. Another site for good info is Bob Comperini's site:www Fly-ul,com. Again, gobs of info there. Bob is a SPDPE and Rotax mechanicto boot. Interesting.EAA has a site about LSA here: www sportpilot.org. About the only place theyhave for our sport. Hit home page and your gone.Another something to think about is the effort to try to get GA to acceptLSA as general aircraft partners. I don't think that will ever be possible.That is like trying to make a UL a GA aircraft. No, I think we are stuckwith the three main groups staying what they are. It is sad it can't be allone family but no one seems to want that to happen, at least from what Ihave seen. As I see there is 3 basic groups1- UL, 254lbs empty, 5 gals or less, single seat part 103. no exceptions2- LSA Less than 1320 lbs gross, recip engine, one pilot one passenger only,less than 120 knots speed. Some exemptions3- GA up to 12,500 lbs, any engine, any speed with training, any part 23,more than one engine with endorsement, etc. Gobs of exceptions.What do you think? Will the three ever be accepted as one entity....flyersand pilots?Gary Orpe->-----Original Message------>From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com->[mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill->Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:58 PM->Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Can anyone read->"Efficiency"->->->14CFR 1.1 General Definitions:->Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a->helicopter or powered-lift that,->since its original certification, has continued to meet the following:-><snip>->(6) A single, reciprocating engine, if powered.-><trim>->->I have yet to locate a reciprocating electric or a->reciprocating turbine engine.->Perhaps if you can pass over a link to either of these, then->you are discussing an off->{LSA} topic powerplant.->->While perhaps fun to discuss, you'd need the FAA to change->the rules to allow any non-->reciprocating powerplant to power your LSA.->->Snipped from:->type=simple;c=ecfr;cc=ecfr;sid=02a0f4784791cccd9581c87f36536a3->4;idno=14;region=DIV1;q1=->reciprocating;rgn=div8;view=text;node=14%3A1.0.1.1.1.0.1.1->->Bill Watsonsnip
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