Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: IFR Training and IFR Rating for Spor...

It's not a yahoo glitch sorry to say. Gary has been censoring me and he told be so. I don't know how many others he censors but I know he censors me. He doesn't like me or what I say, when I say it or how long I say it. I have the group addresses and just go around him and send directly to the group rather than deal with Gary's censorship.  It doesn't matter to me, as I deal with people like Gary on a daily basis however at the same time, Gary asks why other aviation groups don't accept him and his hobby and his group? Does he need to ask? As you all know, Aviation is a huge subject. Everything is related. Someone want to discuss a 757 incident today at Jackson Hole and why note? If noboy likes it and no one responds, the subject will die on it's own. Let's not kill it beforehand though, at least give the fellow a chance to bring it up. After all a 757 is just a overweght LSA isn't it?  LSA is only a tiny microcosom in the huge picture. Many aviators don't even know what LSA is nor do they care. If Gary wants to promote it, he should improve his communications skills. It seems such a waste to limit the LSA discussion to simple gossip.  I can take it or leave it. 

 

 

Good night . .

Bruce 

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:28 PM, <medicbill@aol.com> wrote:

 

No I think there is a Yahoo glitch. Of it was not Yahoo I would agree with you.

 

Bill Bower

 

In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:26:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, barnabywalker@gmail.com writes:

Wake UP Sheeple of this Light-Sport-Aircraft group!

Has anyone noticed that ALL of these latest postings are on the Group Website ONLY from Captain Jim?

Jim is only REPLYING Publicly on this Group to Bruce's PRIVATE conversations with him, as the "Moderator"/CENSORS on this Group do NOT allow Bruce's postings to appear on the Website.

This message is also being sent DIRECTLY to "The Flying Wino" and BRUCE as Gary will Censor it to the group, as long as he's on the "Nutso pills".

CENSORSHIP is an egregious act...that's the TRUTH!
Barnaby


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Bair" <jimbair@...> wrote:
>
> The problem I see with looking at it your way is that many people would be
> afraid to declare an emergency when they should.  That is exactly the
> opposite of the intent of FAR 91.3.  It specifically says, "Don't worry
> about the normal rules, this rule trumps all those."  It's not a moot and
> boring subject in my opinion, but a very important one.  I was a new Private
> Pilot one day a long time ago, and I was terrified of towers, rules, etc.  I'm
> sure many know what I mean.  I had a guy tell me that when I called for a
> weather brief, I should use a fake N number.  LOL.  Now I realize that's my
> proof I received a briefing, as required by the rules.  Why?  Because it's a
> pretty good idea to get a weather brief if you're going somewhere.  I may be
> wrong, but it just feels like you're making this harder than it needs to be.
> I don't see anywhere that it says you should wreck your airplane in power
> lines because that's the rule.  You're reading too much into this stuff.
>
> Jim B.
>
> From: b d
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:20 PM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: IFR Training and IFR
> Rating for Sport Pilots
>
> As my grand kids would say  . . . What   Everrrrrrrrrrrrrr . . . .
>
> You fly follow your rules and I'll fly my plane  . . . . we'll all be happy
> that way.
>
> This has become a moot and boring subject . . . . It does explain why
> different pilots do different things under the same conditions. If you wish
> to ignore it then please do. I'm not trying to change your mind I'm just
> making my point. Take it or leave it.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Jim Bair <jimbair@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>   I think you're looking at this the wrong way.  Rules are designed for
> normal operations.  Any game is played better with rules.  If you don't
> think so, compare driving in the US with some Latin American countries where
> it comes to a gridlock because no one follows simple rules.  What this FAR
> is trying to tell you is, you are expected to have priority and cut in line.
> That's the rule once you have an emergency.
>
>   You are focusing on the "upon the request of the Administrator, "send a
> written report of that deviation to the Administrator".  while failing to
> note the "upon the request of" part.  Yes, people may inquire as to why you
> asked to cut to the front of the line.  Sometimes paperwork is requested to
> help build a database to highlight problems.  We hit a bird on final the
> other day and didn't know it.  Maintenance called us on the way to the hotel
> to ask about it.  We did see the bird, but didn't realize it went through
> the number 3 engine at the time.  So, some paperwork was filled out.  Big
> deal.  If you are in the pattern at some class D field and say, "Hey tower,
> my engine just started running rough.   I need to land now.  I am declaring
> an emergency."  Those are the magic words that clear everyone out of your
> way.  In that case, I would be surprised if you even had to send a letter to
> the administrator.  On the other hand, if the emergency was of your own
> making, and let's say the airfield was closed to other traffic for even 15
> minutes while you're getting talked out of the cloud you inadvertently found
> yourself in just a few minutes after dark, and a 747 was holding at the IAF
> burning 20,000# per hour, yeah, someone might question why you cut to the
> front of the line.
>
>   Your example using Sully as your poster child of a rule breaker and the
> whole honorable rule breaker thing is just plain wrong.  Turn it around and
> realize that Sully followed the rules perfectly.  Rule 1 being, an emergency
> makes all other rules null and void.  Yes, normal procedures dictate we land
> on runways, and if you said, haha, he landed on water, therefore, he broke
> the rules, then the rest of the world would say, "Don't be an idiot.  He had
> no engines.  Normal procedures no longer apply, because this is no longer a
> normal situation."
>
>   Jim B.
>
>   -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   You answered your own question. In an emergency, rules may be broken. Get
> it? You may have to break some rules in an emergency and if so but you have
> broken the rules. Sully undoubtedly broke some rules . . . no big deal . . .
>
>     (c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b)
> of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, "send a
> written report of that deviation to the Administrator".
>
>   After the emergency is over, after you have broken the rules, you may (c)
> . . .  "send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator".
>
>   What it does not go on to say is what happens next . . . there will
> probably be an investigation to determine what happened (you are still
> admittedly guilty of breaking the rules . . you admitted you did by filing a
> report and you asked for forgiveness from the administrator. He may forgive
> you or he may not. If he does forgive you, you have still broken the rules
> but have been forgiven . . .follow it so far?  If he doesn't forgive you,
> you have still broken the rules and may have to pay a penalty. Either way,
> with no exceptions . . . you still broke the rules ! Get it? In this case
> Sully broke the rules and was forgiven and was even deemed a hero for
> "BREAKING THE RULES". He still broke the rules. Breaking the rules does not
> make a person a bad person. In this case Sully was a better person just
> because he broke the rules . . .
>
>   Said yet another way:  Had Sully not broken the rules he would have been
> an honorable rule follower as is the fellow who landed on the power lines
> because he could not deviate from the damned rules!  Now he was an idiot
> with a wrecked plane but he was an honorable rule following idiot with a
> wrecked plane . . . The question is, which do you want to be?
>
>   Bruce

>




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