Sunday, October 31, 2010

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Another senseless fatal ultralight crash on Oct 30, 2010 in Arizona - Dead Body



VERY Very FEWny, Abid!

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:31 AM, apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcaVQ-4Ip_g

Gory pictures of a dead body. Viewer discretion advised.
Abid




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Another senseless fatal ultralight crash on Oct 30, 2010 in Arizona - Dead Body

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcaVQ-4Ip_g

Gory pictures of a dead body. Viewer discretion advised.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Any 16 hr courses for inspection rating in the Southwest?

John,

You might try the Carpenters, at Rainbow Aviation in Corning CA.
They give lots of the sport pilot/LSA repairman inspection (16hr) courses, all
around the country and many at their own facilities in Corning.
<http://www.rainbowaviation.com> Telephone (530) 824-0644

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in the Southwest?

> I'd like to take the 16 hr course so I can do my own annual inspections.
>
> Where can I find out about any upcoming courses, especially in the
> Southwest US? I live in Colorado.
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Any 16 hr courses for inspection rating in the Southwest?

I'd like to take the 16 hr course so I can do my own annual inspections.

Where can I find out about any upcoming courses, especially in the Southwest US? I live in Colorado.

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Saturday, October 30, 2010

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Takeoff and Landing Compilation



Great video. I subscribed.

Cheers,
Chris

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Eric <marenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I had a ton of unused video so I compiled it into a takeoff and landing montage. There are slips, short field, touch and go, paved runways, short grass runways, long grass runways, sandy runways, inside cockpit views, behind pilot view, outside views, etc.

It is not very exciting but I wanted to do something with the video before I deleted them. Hope you enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKxfdSYQONA




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Takeoff and Landing Compilation

I had a ton of unused video so I compiled it into a takeoff and landing montage. There are slips, short field, touch and go, paved runways, short grass runways, long grass runways, sandy runways, inside cockpit views, behind pilot view, outside views, etc.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

LOL!!!

Funny stuff...
MAYBE the problem is that the "little people" see themselves as "little people" that don't stand a chance in this world?

Rick


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, b d <gpabruce@...> wrote:
>
> I always love it when someone injects a comment like "Ah see, here's where
> you go wrong." Up at the levels that are being discussed here, there is no
> right or wrong, there are *higher profits and lower profits only*. The term
> "right and wrong" are things we try to convince our kids so we can keep them
> reigned in and it is also the referring to the rules and regulations
> applying to the "small people" on main street, like red lights and stop
> signs opossed to the "big people on wall street hense the terms "big
> government" v. "small government". They aren't talking about size, they are
> refering to who is being regulated and ruled. The Small people or the Big
> and Wealthy. Most of us, are in the Small people category even though we
> like to think we are wealthy because we own a plane or two.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Brian <brian@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ah see, here's where you go wrong. The FAA and NTSB are surly lawyered up.
> > So a lawyer with any sort of litigious sense is going to fight hard to keep
> > this going because a. if it reduces the size of the FAA/NTSB they could get
> > their job handed to them. All they have to say is "what if we get sued by
> > the first person who is injured because we 'didn't' do a medical and
> > crashed/killed someone"...
> >
> > Everyone in any sort of position to make the change will say, nope, I don't
> > want that responsibility on my hands...
> >
> > Damn lawyers... ;D
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com <Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Justification should be simple. The FAA and NTSB have the data base
> > now. Any
> > > thing to save money should be easy to get approved. I doubt if any of
> > the
> > > alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back. Just a matter of
> > > operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to
> > reissue with
> > > photos anyway. Seems like a no brainer to me. Roger P
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com <Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't
> > recall
> > > which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At
> > that
> > > time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that
> > request. That
> > > data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database,
> > and I
> > > can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have
> > happened if
> > > he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do
> > believe
> > > it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats,
> > it
> > > will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do
> > believe
> > > at some point they will have to remove the requirement.
> > >
> > > In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of
> > Sport, Rec,
> > > and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the
> > priviliges
> > > to go with it.
> > >
> > > The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All
> > government
> > > agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some
> > money
> > > with this proposal. They just need to justify it.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Video - Flying Canyon De Chelly

Damien,
Great video & Pics. It looked cold.

My wife loves it. She wants to fly a weight shift vehicle.

Thanks,
Mike

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Friday, October 29, 2010

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Video - Flying Canyon De Chelly



Great video Damien, Looked like a great time.

Keep em coming.

Cheers,
Chris

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:34 PM, tdrtw <damber306@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

Randy and myself spent 3 days flying the Canyon De Chelly area. Under the "add comments" button is a link to the Youtube version if you have issues downloading the main file. Also there are some photos as well.

 

http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike20100919

 

Enjoy,

 

Damien




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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Video - Flying Canyon De Chelly



Randy and myself spent 3 days flying the Canyon De Chelly area. Under the "add comments" button is a link to the Youtube version if you have issues downloading the main file. Also there are some photos as well.

 

http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike20100919

 

Enjoy,

 

Damien



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: [Sport_Pilot_Instructors] The SeaRey is here!



By completing the LODA application and submitting it to the FSDO.  The only planes with ownership date restrictions are ultra light trainers. See:

http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-09-16_lodas.asp

Helen


On 10/29/2010 10:02 AM, Bob Comperini wrote:
 

So how will you get a loda for a plane you did not own prior to 1-31-2010?

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On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net> wrote:

> The first Chesapeake Sport Pilot SeaRey arrived today! This plane, a
> kit, will be our demo plane. We may also apply for a LODA to do some
> limited training on it until the SLSA is certified. (I'll keep everyone
> on the list up to date on our LODA adventures if we do.) In the
> meantime, checkout the pics of the unboxing of our kit at the CSP
> Facebook site: http://tinyurl.com/23a8xa4
>
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

Agreed...

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, b d <gpabruce@...> wrote:
>
> I always love it when someone injects a comment like "Ah see, here's where
> you go wrong." Up at the levels that are being discussed here, there is no
> right or wrong, there are *higher profits and lower profits only*. The term
> "right and wrong" are things we try to convince our kids so we can keep them
> reigned in and it is also the referring to the rules and regulations
> applying to the "small people" on main street, like red lights and stop
> signs opossed to the "big people on wall street hense the terms "big
> government" v. "small government". They aren't talking about size, they are
> refering to who is being regulated and ruled. The Small people or the Big
> and Wealthy. Most of us, are in the Small people category even though we
> like to think we are wealthy because we own a plane or two.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Brian <brian@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ah see, here's where you go wrong. The FAA and NTSB are surly lawyered up.
> > So a lawyer with any sort of litigious sense is going to fight hard to keep
> > this going because a. if it reduces the size of the FAA/NTSB they could get
> > their job handed to them. All they have to say is "what if we get sued by
> > the first person who is injured because we 'didn't' do a medical and
> > crashed/killed someone"...
> >
> > Everyone in any sort of position to make the change will say, nope, I don't
> > want that responsibility on my hands...
> >
> > Damn lawyers... ;D
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com <Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Justification should be simple. The FAA and NTSB have the data base
> > now. Any
> > > thing to save money should be easy to get approved. I doubt if any of
> > the
> > > alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back. Just a matter of
> > > operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to
> > reissue with
> > > photos anyway. Seems like a no brainer to me. Roger P
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com <Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't
> > recall
> > > which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At
> > that
> > > time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that
> > request. That
> > > data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database,
> > and I
> > > can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have
> > happened if
> > > he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do
> > believe
> > > it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats,
> > it
> > > will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do
> > believe
> > > at some point they will have to remove the requirement.
> > >
> > > In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of
> > Sport, Rec,
> > > and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the
> > priviliges
> > > to go with it.
> > >
> > > The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All
> > government
> > > agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some
> > money
> > > with this proposal. They just need to justify it.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???




Maybe its about time they had their jobs handed to them.  Kind of makes sense to me.  A local bumper sticker around here said " Save America, Run over a lawyer."  It was on a judges car and he stood by it.  Silly man retired.  He should have stayed in office.  Roger P

From: Brian <brian@garrett.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 1:25:49 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

 

Ah see, here's where you go wrong. The FAA and NTSB are surly lawyered up. So a lawyer with any sort of litigious sense is going to fight hard to keep this going because a. if it reduces the size of the FAA/NTSB they could get their job handed to them. All they have to say is "what if we get sued by the first person who is injured because we 'didn't' do a medical and crashed/killed someone"...

Everyone in any sort of position to make the change will say, nope, I don't want that responsibility on my hands...

Damn lawyers... ;D

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Justification should be simple.  The FAA and NTSB have the data base now.  Any
> thing to save money should be easy to get approved.  I doubt if any of the
> alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back.  Just a matter of
> operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to reissue with
> photos anyway.  Seems like a no brainer to me.  Roger P
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???
>
>  
>
>
> This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't recall
> which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At that
> time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that request. That
> data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database, and I
> can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have happened if
> he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do believe
> it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats, it
> will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do believe
> at some point they will have to remove the requirement.
>
> In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of Sport, Rec,
> and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the priviliges
> to go with it.
>
> The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All government
> agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some money
> with this proposal. They just need to justify it.
>




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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???



Why can't we be like Wall st and Weathy way. and have absolutley no regulations? I would like that, "live and let live".
 
 


 
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:14 AM, Rick <lightflyer@adelphia.net> wrote:
 



--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Gorman <aflyguy25@...> wrote:
>
> I think that what it really boils down to is that it sounds like a good idea to
> the bureaucrats! All the sound good ideas just tend to complicate our lives.
> Jerry, the Curator of virtualultralightmuseum.com
>

I dunno, seems like the ones who complain about the gubbamint and burrocrats complicate things just as much as anything else. If we listened to all the whiners out there NOTHING would ever get done because THEY are all against us.

The Optomist,
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???



I always love it when someone injects a comment like "Ah see, here's where you go wrong."  Up at the levels that are being discussed here, there is no right or wrong, there are higher profits and lower profits only. The term "right and wrong" are things we try to convince our kids so we can keep them reigned in and it is also the referring to the rules and regulations applying to the "small people" on main street, like red lights and stop signs opossed to the "big people on wall street hense the terms "big government" v. "small government". They aren't talking about size, they are refering to who is being regulated and ruled. The Small people or the Big and Wealthy. Most of us, are in the Small people category even though we like to think we are wealthy because we own a plane or two.
 
 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Brian <brian@garrett.net> wrote:
 

Ah see, here's where you go wrong. The FAA and NTSB are surly lawyered up. So a lawyer with any sort of litigious sense is going to fight hard to keep this going because a. if it reduces the size of the FAA/NTSB they could get their job handed to them. All they have to say is "what if we get sued by the first person who is injured because we 'didn't' do a medical and crashed/killed someone"...

Everyone in any sort of position to make the change will say, nope, I don't want that responsibility on my hands...

Damn lawyers... ;D

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Justification should be simple.  The FAA and NTSB have the data base now.  Any
> thing to save money should be easy to get approved.  I doubt if any of the
> alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back.  Just a matter of
> operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to reissue with
> photos anyway.  Seems like a no brainer to me.  Roger P
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???
>
>  
>
>
> This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't recall
> which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At that
> time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that request. That
> data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database, and I
> can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have happened if
> he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do believe
> it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats, it
> will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do believe
> at some point they will have to remove the requirement.
>
> In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of Sport, Rec,
> and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the priviliges
> to go with it.
>
> The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All government
> agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some money
> with this proposal. They just need to justify it.
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

Ah see, here's where you go wrong. The FAA and NTSB are surly lawyered up. So a lawyer with any sort of litigious sense is going to fight hard to keep this going because a. if it reduces the size of the FAA/NTSB they could get their job handed to them. All they have to say is "what if we get sued by the first person who is injured because we 'didn't' do a medical and crashed/killed someone"...

Everyone in any sort of position to make the change will say, nope, I don't want that responsibility on my hands...

Damn lawyers... ;D

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Justification should be simple.  The FAA and NTSB have the data base now.  Any
> thing to save money should be easy to get approved.  I doubt if any of the
> alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back.  Just a matter of
> operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to reissue with
> photos anyway.  Seems like a no brainer to me.  Roger P
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???
>
>  
>
>
> This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't recall
> which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At that
> time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that request. That
> data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database, and I
> can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have happened if
> he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do believe
> it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats, it
> will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do believe
> at some point they will have to remove the requirement.
>
> In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of Sport, Rec,
> and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the priviliges
> to go with it.
>
> The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All government
> agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some money
> with this proposal. They just need to justify it.
>


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>I believe that the FAA allows LODA's for training in Experimentals for certain cases.
>http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-09-16_lodas.asp

I believe that the actual text of the LODA guidance (http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/LODA_Guidance.pdf) talks about having to own the aircraft prior to 1-31-2010. Maybe that's just for primary training.


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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???



Motor gliders do not need a medical either.


>
> You can fly ultralights and gliders without a medical.
>
> Dale
> N28YD

Oh yeah! I forgot about the gliders not requiring a medical. One more possibility!

I'm more likely to go for another ultralight if I fail a medical. I still have the big empty field across the street that I used to fly out of. It's just more convenient for me.
BUT... I could certainly see a glider intro flight in my future. Once I try it I might just get hooked.

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Justification should be simple.  The FAA and NTSB have the data base now.  Any thing to save money should be easy to get approved.  I doubt if any of the alphabet organizations will even try to hold it back.  Just a matter of operating limitations on the license that they are going to have to reissue with photos anyway.  Seems like a no brainer to me.  Roger P

From: doug_fm <dfmoeller@austin.rr.com>
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Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 9:36:51 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???

 



This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't recall which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At that time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that request. That data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database, and I can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have happened if he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do believe it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats, it will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do believe at some point they will have to remove the requirement.

In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of Sport, Rec, and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the priviliges to go with it.

The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All government agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some money with this proposal. They just need to justify it.




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--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, James Ferris <mijniljj@...> wrote:
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> That also includes powered gliders and thay are about as much fun as you can
> have with you clothes on.

Oh... so you have to keep your clothes on huh?
Alright, but it seems like an onerous requirement ;)

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???

This was a topic a couple of years ago when the EAA or AOPA (I don't recall which org) requested the elimination of the medical for rec pilots. At that time, the FAA said they were waiting on more data to justify that request. That data is now here. I've done some searches on the FAA accident database, and I can't find a single case of a sport pilot crash that wouldn't have happened if he had a medical. Granted, I may be doing an incomplete search, but I do believe it is indicative of the situation. Albeit, since the FAA are bureaucrats, it will require "smack you in the face" data to move them, but I really do believe at some point they will have to remove the requirement.

In fact, I see an overhaul of the pilots ratings coming. Merging of Sport, Rec, and Private tickets without medicals. Maybe some restructuring of the priviliges to go with it.

The notion of cost savings to the FAA is the key point here. All government agencies are being pushed to reduce costs. The FAA could really save some money with this proposal. They just need to justify it.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???



Not true! You can be denied and live again.  If you are denied as I was you just have to fight uphill though all the red tape until you get it back!  Expect to do lot of tests often and report directly to OK, OK.  I now have the same time reporting period for a third class as I had before for a first class medical.  They just try to wear you down and make it too expensive to go on.  Jerry

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:28 AM, <medicbill@aol.com> wrote:
 

Sounds like a good discussion. Remember though if you are denied your medical you will not be able to fly as a sport pilot as well as a private.
 
In a message dated 10/28/2010 6:40:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lightflyer@adelphia.net writes:
Interesting poll on AVweb this morning:
Now that Sport Pilots are no longer required, should we do away with the medical cert requirements for ALL pilots flying planes under 6000lbs?

http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/php/polls/view.php?poll_id=424&display_type=large

Sure would be easier!
It's been 6 weeks since I took my last exam. Because I had a laryngectomy recently, my case has to go the Headquarters for a decision by the Flight Surgeon. After 3 doctors and piles of paperwork I'm STILL waiting for the results.

fingers crossed,
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group The SeaRey is here!

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> So how will you get a loda for a plane you did not own prior to 1-31-2010?
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

Sounds good to me. I've noticed my freedoms are never in less danger than
when congress is totally gridlocked.(G)

Harold Burton Sr.

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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???


>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Gorman <aflyguy25@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think that what it really boils down to is that it sounds like a good
>> idea to
>> the bureaucrats! All the sound good ideas just tend to complicate our
>> lives.
>> Jerry, the Curator of virtualultralightmuseum.com
>>
>
> I dunno, seems like the ones who complain about the gubbamint and
> burrocrats complicate things just as much as anything else. If we listened
> to all the whiners out there NOTHING would ever get done because THEY are
> all against us.
>
> The Optomist,
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group The SeaRey is here!

So how will you get a loda for a plane you did not own prior to 1-31-2010?

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???



Good point.  As long as we are either pessimists or optimists the world will move along just fine.  The realists are the ones in trouble.  No future in that point of view IMHO.  I started with ULs in the 80s and still fly the UL types.  In a lot of ways it fills my flying needs better than GA or Sport planes.  Its cheaper and still gets my rear end off the ground.  Roger P


From: Rick <lightflyer@adelphia.net>
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Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 8:36:30 AM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???

 

Hahaha...
I think you might have it backwards Roger.
Seems like all the pessimists that I know are CONSTANTLY dissappointed.

If fear of dissapointment was my main objective in life I would have missed out on all the good things! And believe me, there are some REALLY good things out there :)

Rick

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...> wrote:
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> For Rick the optimist.  You might want to become a pessimist like me.  Its not
> all that bad of a point of view.  The plus side is that you will seldom be
> disappointed.  Roger P
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rick <lightflyer@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 8:14:15 AM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Medical NOT required???
>
>  
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Gorman <aflyguy25@> wrote:
> >
> > I think that what it really boils down to is that it sounds like a good idea to
> >
> > the bureaucrats! All the sound good ideas just tend to complicate our lives.
> > Jerry, the Curator of virtualultralightmuseum.com
> >
>
> I dunno, seems like the ones who complain about the gubbamint and burrocrats
> complicate things just as much as anything else. If we listened to all the
> whiners out there NOTHING would ever get done because THEY are all against us.
>
> The Optomist,
> Rick
>




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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???



That also includes powered gliders and thay are about as much fun as you can have with you clothes on.


Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Medical NOT required???

 



--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "daleandee" <daleandee@...> wrote:
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>
>
> You can fly ultralights and gliders without a medical.
>
> Dale
> N28YD

Oh yeah! I forgot about the gliders not requiring a medical. One more possibility!

I'm more likely to go for another ultralight if I fail a medical. I still have the big empty field across the street that I used to fly out of. It's just more convenient for me.
BUT... I could certainly see a glider intro flight in my future. Once I try it I might just get hooked.

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