Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies

LOL.
The problem is "nothing" did not happen. A flipover and an expensive repair happened.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, dallas hewett <dallash@...> wrote:
>
> It's terrible when air contaminates fuel...  ;)
> Especially in the wrong proportions.
> Just think what would happen if you had too much air and not enough fuel in the
> cylinder and the spark plug fired.....
> *NOTHING*
> :D
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:51:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies
>
>  
> :). Ahhh yes, that's kind of happened to us already. Pilot had too much
> contamination in the fuel tank.
>
> Too much air contaminating the fuel in the gas tank.
>
> I am advised by my lawyers not to write/say too much about it (only in America)
> but basically we were asked by the FAA to add a picture of the big red flashing
> warning that the instrument gives you on the EFIS screen (Fuel Level 1 - Low)
> when you get into your 30 minute reserves in the POH and explain in the POH what
> that means and what procedure to follow (like land as soon as possible at a safe
> place and re-fuel).
>
> Yeah you can see that in our Revision 2 manuals now. English is my second
> language but I didn't think that that warning needed any explanation but may be
> I assumed or know too much English.
>
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@> wrote:
> >
> > There is no doubt that frivolous law suits have played a major part in the US
> > and driven prices sky high.  As an example a pilot takes his plane up for a
> >few
> >
> > touch and goes and runs out of fuel and wads up the plane.  Who gets sued? 
> >The
> >
> > manufacturer, the engine manufacturer, the carburetor manufacturer and almost
> > everyone else that made a part of the plane.  End result is higher prices on
> > each component of the plane.  The two real problems?  A pilot that forgot to
> >add
> >
> > fuel and too many lawyers.  A local man here had a bumper sticker that said
> >save
> >
> > America.  Run over a lawyer.   He was our district judge.  Roger P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 10:20:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies
> >
> >  
> > I think US run is not yet over.
> > I think the ship can be turned around because it is still not quite facing
> > totally the other way.
> > I think however, that the hour glass is going and we have limited time to do
> >it.
> >
> > Our competitors in Asia especially are on track and accelerating faster than we
> >
> > probably thought.
> > Some years back (as in 1993) I had a some exchanges after a talk with a former
>
> > US ambassador to Pakistan and the whole talk was about this century (2001 and
> > forward) being an Asian century. So its not like Americans didn't see it
> >coming.
> >
> > Abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Hobson" <wrhobson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For my part I think Abid has it pretty well defined. It's a cultural dynamic.
> >
> > >The US has raised one, and perhaps two, generations with more of an "entitled"
> >
> > >attitude than a "work hard and prosper" attitude. As other countries standard
> >of
> >
> > >living rise they will likely face the same problem in the future. Humans
> > >naturally want to give too much to their off-spring and that fosters the
> >gradual
> >
> > >decline in their work ethic. I'm not well-read, but somebody probably has
> > >written a book about the trend. The US had a pretty good run and accomplished
>
> > >some amazing feats during WWII, but I think our best times are behind us as a
>
> > >society. Can anybody imagine the current generation undergoing the kinds of
> > >sacrifice that people endured (mostly without complaining) in those days? It's
> >
> > >sad, but may be just part of the cycle of life. Perhaps if we had a working
> > >government something could be done to turn this battleship around, but our
> > >entire government is run by the self-interests of our representatives at
> > >virtually every level. Sigh. This concludes my 15 seconds on my soapbox.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: b d
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation
> >companies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, so what is the answer as you see it? Do we allow companies to do as
> >they
> >
> > >wish and not hold them responsible? I understand that you're comparing to
> > >another country such as China with no liability recourse but that was know
> >when
> >
> > >the US did it. What is the answer today to keep US companies here and not
> >moving
> >
> > >off shore or is it just too late? Certainly more will continue to follow.
> > >
> > > Your thoughts,
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello
> > > Your reply to my "liability" post isnt addressing the reason companies are
> > >moving off shore Asking what you liability cover is to a company is about
> > >assessing the possible outcome of a claim The level of ambit claims that
> >succeed
> >
> > >only increases business costs and make the option of moving offshore more
> > >enticing
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 12/17/10, b d <gpabruce@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: b d <gpabruce@>
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation
> >companies
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 6:53 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM, b d <gpabruce@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Another interesting response (see below) and thank you Abid. You seem to have
> >
> > >first hand knowledge which I appreciate.
> > > Anyone else want to remark on the original question:
> > > Lyle Cox <LyleCox@>wrote:
> > > Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you could
> > >get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling foreign
> > >goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were thec pillars of an
> > >industry go this direction.
> > >
> > > b d <gpabruce@> Asked:
> > > Do you know why they did it? (American companies moving offshore to China
> >etal)
> >
> > >It seems like they have everything a business could want for right here. Low
> > >taxes, competent workforce, wealthy consumers . . . . why would they leave all
> >
> > >that for China? I'm just curious if anyone has any opinions?
> > >
> > >
> >>=====================================================================================================
> >=
> > >=
> > >
> > > (1) UltraJohn to Sport_Aircraft responded:
> > > Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs...
> > > Simple!
> > >
> >>=====================================================================================================
> >=
> > >=
> > > Feel free to chime in and add your opinion and any facts you may have.
> > >
> > >
> > > (2) Abid to Sport_Aircraft responded:
> > > Well I am not sure I completely agree.
> > > 1) The workforce in Asia is not as incompetent generally as you may think.
> >That
> >
> > >may have been true 20 years ago
> > >
> > > 2) I am originally from Asia, an immigrant to the US and I definitely would
> > >like more manufacturing here for sure but American workforce I can assure is
> >not
> >
> > >"so much more highly competent" compared to others and it definitely costs
> >more.
> >
> > >No doubt about that. Our younger generation does not possess (in general) the
>
> > >skills of those guys who used to be skilled at making things. They all are
> >great
> >
> > >at playing video games but that doesn't quite cut it when I want them to bend
>
> > >sheet metal and use a cnc lathe. Also, I can tell you just growing up in Asia,
> >
> > >that the worker there is "more hungry". As a result they work harder in
> >general.
> >
> > >That's just how it is right this moment. Having said all that, I would like
> > >nothing better than Americans show discipline and buy more American made
> >items.
> >
> > >The usual drivel of "that's the American way" that I have heard in the US
> >since
> >
> > >I moved here in 1989 ... (you won't here that anywhere else in the world btw)
>
> > >... and how has that way been been working out for ya?? That's all I got to
> >say.
> > >
> > > 3) Cessna may have reasons beyond labor costs etc. C162 may be a way for them
> >
> > >to get foothold in China which is slowly but surely opening up its skies and
> >in
> >
> > >the next 5 to 10 years will be a viable aviation market.
> > >
> > > 4) In the end business is about the bottom line and opening and growing
> >markets
> >
> > >when it goes public and has to answer to shareholders (not private). Besides
> > >Cessna and Continental, Cirrus is majority owned by a company that is
> >basically
> >
> > >middle-eastern. Those were the investors interested in investing in an
> >American
> >
> > >company and that's a shame. Do you think those investors and majority
> > >shareholders in UAE care about remaining in the US. I can guarantee you they
> > >don't.
> > >
> > > Abid
> > >
> >>=========================================================================================================
> >=
> > >=
> > > peterwalker58@
> > >
> > > Hello
> > > Liability is a big one An overseas company can easily limit their exposure to
> >
> > >claims If the $$$$ are hard to get to the lawyers aren't interested I was
> > >developing a radial and got some emails only interested in the liability
> > >coverage Chinese quality is good if you know what you want The biggest issue
> >is
> >
> > >buyers with no technical knowledge buying on price and looking for a quick
> >buck
> >
> > >Want cheaper? No problem we make it a cheaper product
> > > Peter
> > >
> >>=========================================================================================================
> >=
> > >=
> > >
> > > Peter, I know people are down on litigation and so on but without some
> >leverage
> >
> > >to do a job right, isn't that just as bad for the consumer? The big
> >corporations
> >
> > >don't want any rules or regulations or liability. Is that fair for the public?
> >
> > >We don't get to deregulate our own lives and ignore the stop signs and red
> > >lights and laws against robbing banks and gas stations so why should the
> > >wealthy, the oil companies and the banks be allowed to rob us with no penalty,
> >
> > >the common people making less than a million per year. Notice that BP killed
> > >eleven people and were able to conduct their own criminal investigation. No
> >one
> >
> > >was found guilty of anything that I know of. Too bad us little common people,
>
> > >the 98% of the American people making less than 2% of the money are not able
> >to
> >
> > >conduct our own criminal investigations on our selves. Does that sound like we
> >
> > >have a level playing field in this country?
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm just curious what your thoughts are why people don't seem to mind the
> >vast
> >
> > >inequity between the wealthy and the common people here in the US?
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, b d <gpabruce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Do you know why they did it? It seems like they have everything a business
> > > > could want for right here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy
> >consumers
> > > > . . . . why would they leave all that for China? I'm just curious if
> anyone
> > > > has any opinions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lyle Cox <LyleCox@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you
> > > > > could get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling
> > > > > foreign goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were the
> > > > > pillars of an industry go this direction.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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