Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group High Useful Load LSA Aircraft Models

I have some very practical knowledge of the Paradise P1.  Mostly on ranches in Brazil it is a 4 place, 180 hp airplane, there are a couple hundred flying.  The P1 LSA has a redesigned wing, Rotax 100 hp 912-ULS and the back seats removed.  The airframe is the same.  The LSA was certified with two 12 gal fuel tanks but I haven't seen one, I suspect there is only one with that configuration.  An option is the two 18 gal. fuel tanks that were in the 4 place, 180 hp airplane.  It doesn't effect useful load very much but is 72# of payload and gives you 7 hours of endurance.  When I flew it, I was 50# heavier, the guy I flew with was pretty big and Jenny, my Guide Dog was in the back.  We probably had 600 # of payload plus fuel and it performed better than my 172 in every way including stalls and "simulated" (he reached over and shut the mags off on purpose) engine failure glide.  The numbers in the sales brochures are one thing, the numbers in the POH are what you have to worry about for your check ride and what counts is how it actually performs.
 

Gregory H. Lawrence

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From: Rick Pitcher <lightflyer@adelphia.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 12:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group High Useful Load LSA Aircraft Models

 

I kinda figured you meant composite, and yes, rag-wings are lighter.

But I would like to see the "baloney" that Gary says comes from the
"all-metal" camps. I haven't seen it myself, but I'm sure if moderator-Gary
posts it as fact he must have some data to back it up. THAT will be
interesting!

Hope your cold gets better Helen,
Rick

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From: "Helen Woods" <Helen_Woods@verizon.net>
To: <Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group High Useful Load LSA Aircraft
Models

> Oh, that should have been metal or composite... I think this head cold
> has gotten the better of be this morning! Gary's right though that
> Rotax rag-wings out there tend to have a good useful load.
>
> Helen
>
> On 12/26/2010 12:34 PM, Helen Woods wrote:
>> Metal or aluminum, either can be built heavy or light. Tecnam and Remos
>> have proven that.
>>
>> As a general rule though, anything with a O200 or amphibious floats is
>> going to be heavy. As Gary mentions, a lot also has to do with what
>> weight the plane was originally designed for. I though Cirrus was
>> really on to something with their LSA as they bought a microlight that
>> was rated for 1250 and was going to get an extra 70lbs out of going
>> LSA. The current SportStar gets its good useful load from such a
>> conversion.
>>
>> Helen
>>
>> On 12/26/2010 12:16 PM, Rick Pitcher wrote:
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Gary Orpe
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>>>
>>>> That is a great point Helen. A real W&B sheet is in every plane
>>>> legally.
>>>> And there is a lot of bologna out there as well. Especially in the all
>>>> metal camps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Now THAT is interesting. Nice change from the rants of late. Thanks
>>> Gary.
>>> So tell us, which all-metal airplanes have you found that are full of
>>> baloney? Maybe some links to their specifications page would be nice.
>>>
>>> I know there are some big advantages in owning and maintaining aluminum
>>> airplanes as opposed to rag-and-tube or composite aircraft, mostly
>>> having to
>>> do with the ability to keep the planes out in the elements year around.
>>> And
>>> if you DO happen to damage your aluminum plane, there are mechanics in
>>> every
>>> airport that have years of experience with aluminum airplanes. It really
>>> is
>>> an easy material to work with.
>>> But I'd love to hear what your research has shown about the baloney in
>>> the
>>> "all metal camps".
>>>
>>>
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