Try getting these settlements anywhere in Asia. It will never happen and I know people think that there are no laws to protect consumers etc. I think that's not true either. There are laws to protect consumers in many Asian countries but they are not like US laws and they are improving with time. I know for a fact that before you can even serve a lawsuit to the manufacturer etc. in some countries there, there is a sanity check hearing with a magistrate and many many times, the defendant doesn't even get to know that someone tried filing a civil lawsuit against them. Its thrown out before it gets to step 1.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Watson" <bill@...> wrote:
>
> We are to accept that the American companies will limit themselves to only
> provide goods and services that are relatively safe from lawyers. All
> letigious products will be made offshore. For instance, the place where I
> work has a strong made in USA desire and no ability to fulfill it. We limit
> ourselves to distributing goods made in Asia since within 2 years of making
> them here, some fool's family would own our business. You can check the
> products we carry at www.helmethouse.com and I think the only thing in our
> entire inventory that is made in the USA is some of the helmet shields.
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> We have had lawsuits that include a motorcycle rider who center punched a
> freight train while his helmet was on his sissybar. His family thought we
> should pay over 10 million due to us forgetting to include a statement that
> the helmet must be worn to be effective. The suit was settled when the judge
> guided the allowable evidence to lead the case to be lost.
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> Another where the rider incorrectly installed his tailbag and it supposedly
> got caught in his rear tire causing him to crash. Our "design defect"
> allowing a tailbag to be installed incorrectly was worth 5 million. Of
> course there is no way to design anything that cannot be installed
> incorrectly, especially if the installer had no training and read no
> informative materials that were available.
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> Another was a CHP that was riding behind an asphalt tar truck that leaked
> crap onto the freeway causing him to crash. The helmet he was wearing didn't
> protect his neck from being compressed. His family wanted more from others
> involved, but also 5 mil from us.
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> Another lawsuit where we were included because we sell helmets to a store
> that also sold "novelty" helmets. The rider was wearing one of ours and was
> fine. His g/f on the back was wearing a beanie and died. We obviously were
> at fault since we allowed a dealer to sell novelty helmets along with ours.
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> The list is never ending and yet you wonder why we cannot have our goods
> made in the USA????????
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> Bill Watson
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> From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of b d
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:01 AM
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation
> companies
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> That's not the point, are we to accept there will be no companies left in
> America because they could get sued? I rather doubt it.When they leave there
> will be someone else taking their place and building a better product than
> the first guy. It won't be as rosey as they think whereever they are going,
> even companies sue other companies for many things especially misbehavior.
> They are continuously in court but you only hear about the one consumer.
> Litigation is about finding equality just like the wind blows from a high
> pressure area to a low pressure area. Is that such a bad thing? Should BP
> not be sued to compensate all the people they killed and ruined? Should
> American workers, the common people, the 98% of us making less than a
> million a year, just roll over and the wealthy and powerful have their way
> with America and the 11 men they killed? On one hand some of the people on
> this list feel it's the workers fault for getting too much money. Where were
> they when the oil companies raised the price of gas at the pumps and robbed
> the people out of what money they did make. Why no outcry about socialism?
> Comparitively to the CEO's total income, the worker is terribly underpaid so
> why no outcry against the CEO? Why when a Union president get's a generous
> pay do some people get up in arms and scream socialist when his counterpart,
> the CEO is raping the company, the stockholders and the workers plus
> America. He doesn't get a fair wage for a good days work. He and the board
> who are in cahoots are raping the company and all the people including the
> consumers . . . where is the fairness and equality there? Why is no one
> yelling socialism to him and his buddies? Why is no one yelling about the
> big NASA socialist program that feeds the wealthy with tax payer money?
> Where's the out cry there? Why should taxpayers have to take their money to
> support an agency that gives away lush contracts to the wealthy? Why no
> outcry there?
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> I can guarantee you, but you probably won't believe me when I say there is
> not one person on this list who is not a common person by their income and
> yet they want to defend the 2% wealthy and powerful who control this country
> and has put it in this condition as if they were one of them. They should be
> more concerned about the 98% of Americans who are all getting screwed
> without a kiss. Your thoughts,
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> Why do we care if Cessna or Continental run off anyway? If China is so bad,
> if the Chinese people are so bad and such por quality then they will get
> their due for running off won't they? Then Honda, Yamaha and Toyota can
> come in and build some decent aircraft for general aviation. I don't see
> where that's going to hurt America or the people will it. It may not happen
> overnight but it will surely happen and when it does we will like it just
> like we do their cars and motorcycles that run forever basically maintenance
> free.
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> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...>
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> What cover will be available when the only companies left are too small or
> too large to sue?
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> Peter
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> --- On Fri, 12/17/10, b d <gpabruce@...> wrote:
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> From: b d <gpabruce@...>
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation
> companies
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
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> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:41 PM
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> Okay, so what is the answer as you see it? Do we allow companies to do as
> they wish and not hold them responsible? I understand that you're comparing
> to another country such as China with no liability recourse but that was
> know when the US did it. What is the answer today to keep US companies here
> and not moving off shore or is it just too late? Certainly more will
> continue to follow.
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> Your thoughts,
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> Bruce
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> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@...
> <http://mc/compose?to=peterwalker58@...> > wrote:
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> Hello
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> Your reply to my "liability" post isnt addressing the reason companies are
> moving off shore Asking what you liability cover is to a company is about
> assessing the possible outcome of a claim The level of ambit claims that
> succeed only increases business costs and make the option of moving offshore
> more enticing
>
> Peter
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> --- On Fri, 12/17/10, b d <gpabruce@...
> <http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@...> > wrote:
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> From: b d <gpabruce@... <http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@...> >
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation
> companies
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com>
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> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 6:53 PM
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> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM, b d <gpabruce@...
> <http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@...> > wrote:
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> Another interesting response (see below) and thank you Abid. You seem to
> have first hand knowledge which I appreciate.
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> Anyone else want to remark on the original question:
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> Lyle Cox <LyleCox@>wrote:
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> Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you could
> get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling foreign
> goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were thec pillars of an
> industry go this direction.
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> b d <gpabruce@... <http://mc/compose?to=gpabruce@...> > Asked:
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> Do you know why they did it? (American companies moving offshore to China
> etal) It seems like they have everything a business could want for right
> here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy consumers . . . . why would
> they leave all that for China? I'm just curious if anyone has any opinions?
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> (1) UltraJohn to Sport_Aircraft responded:
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> Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs...
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> Simple!
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> Feel free to chime in and add your opinion and any facts you may have.
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> (2) Abid to Sport_Aircraft responded:
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> Well I am not sure I completely agree.
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> 1) The workforce in Asia is not as incompetent generally as you may think.
> That may have been true 20 years ago
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> 2) I am originally from Asia, an immigrant to the US and I definitely would
> like more manufacturing here for sure but American workforce I can assure is
> not "so much more highly competent" compared to others and it definitely
> costs more. No doubt about that. Our younger generation does not possess (in
> general) the skills of those guys who used to be skilled at making things.
> They all are great at playing video games but that doesn't quite cut it when
> I want them to bend sheet metal and use a cnc lathe. Also, I can tell you
> just growing up in Asia, that the worker there is "more hungry". As a result
> they work harder in general. That's just how it is right this moment. Having
> said all that, I would like nothing better than Americans show discipline
> and buy more American made items. The usual drivel of "that's the American
> way" that I have heard in the US since I moved here in 1989 ... (you won't
> here that anywhere else in the world btw) ... and how has that way been been
> working out for ya?? That's all I got to say.
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> 3) Cessna may have reasons beyond labor costs etc. C162 may be a way for
> them to get foothold in China which is slowly but surely opening up its
> skies and in the next 5 to 10 years will be a viable aviation market.
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> 4) In the end business is about the bottom line and opening and growing
> markets when it goes public and has to answer to shareholders (not private).
> Besides Cessna and Continental, Cirrus is majority owned by a company that
> is basically middle-eastern. Those were the investors interested in
> investing in an American company and that's a shame. Do you think those
> investors and majority shareholders in UAE care about remaining in the US. I
> can guarantee you they don't.
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> Abid
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> peterwalker58@... <http://mc/compose?to=peterwalker58@...>
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> Hello
>
> Liability is a big one An overseas company can easily limit their exposure
> to claims If the $$$$ are hard to get to the lawyers aren't interested I was
> developing a radial and got some emails only interested in the liability
> coverage Chinese quality is good if you know what you want The biggest issue
> is buyers with no technical knowledge buying on price and looking for a
> quick buck Want cheaper? No problem we make it a cheaper product
>
> Peter
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> Peter, I know people are down on litigation and so on but without some
> leverage to do a job right, isn't that just as bad for the consumer? The big
> corporations don't want any rules or regulations or liability. Is that fair
> for the public? We don't get to deregulate our own lives and ignore the
> stop signs and red lights and laws against robbing banks and gas stations so
> why should the wealthy, the oil companies and the banks be allowed to rob us
> with no penalty, the common people making less than a million per year.
> Notice that BP killed eleven people and were able to conduct their own
> criminal investigation. No one was found guilty of anything that I know of.
> Too bad us little common people, the 98% of the American people making less
> than 2% of the money are not able to conduct our own criminal investigations
> on our selves. Does that sound like we have a level playing field in this
> country?
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> I'm just curious what your thoughts are why people don't seem to mind the
> vast inequity between the wealthy and the common people here in the US?
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> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> <http://mc/compose?to=Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com> , b d <gpabruce@>
> wrote:
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> >
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> > Do you know why they did it? It seems like they have everything a business
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> > could want for right here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy
> consumers
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> > . . . . why would they leave all that for China? I'm just curious if
> anyone
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> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lyle Cox <LyleCox@>wrote:
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> > > Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you
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> > > could get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling
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> > > foreign goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were the
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