John, With due respect:
UltraJohn <japrice@mindspring.com> wrote:
"Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs...
Simple!"
"Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs...
Simple!"
Interesting. You're making too much money in this country? You're free to give it back are you not? Or you're free to move to China or India or simply trade places with one of them who would love to have your job. Then you could still work for your beloved Corporation that just bailed on you for cheap labor and bigger profits, correction huge profits. Or do you mean everyone but you is making too much money and they should give theirs back while you keep yours? No problem with the oil companies pricing too much for gas? No problem with the auto industry pricing their cars and trucks and military vehicles out of the market? No problem with the financial industry, or wall street? The wages in this country have changed very little in the past few decades while the price of goods has exploded, the wealthy have made exponential profits and wealth while their taxes have been lowered to the lowest they ever had on the pretense of creating "new jobs" (yeh right) So where are those lobs, their taxes have been low for over a decade now . . where are those jobs again? They have gone from 90% tax brackets to 35% on the highest brackets and they are still crying. Check out Lcurve.org and put your pencil tip on the point where your income/wealth is and then look at the wealthy. As a real life eye opener, check your mileage and drive to the nearest down and out poor, skid row, from your home. The go back home, reset your mileage and now drive to the wealthy, not just a house that you admire because it's mortgaged. Drive to the really mega wealthy and see how far you have to drive. That's where you fit on the scale of the lowest to the highest. My guess is that the lowest despicable person is just a matter of blocks away if that far. They may be walking through your neighborhood or standing on a close by intersection panhandling for money. I live by Lance Burton and yet he and I both live only a matter of blocks to a few miles from the most despicable of the lowest of the low. Actually there are people living on the desert very close to both of us. That's how close we are to extreme poverty. As a matter of time, If the crap hit the fan, I would be joining those despicable out on the desert just minutes before Lance Burton would, maybe even after him depending on his debt and his ability to liquidate his assets in time. Lance Burton is wealthy to me but not in the big picture of things.
Note: I'm not trying to talk down about the poor as I have empathy for them. I use these words like "despicable" because that's how the wealthy see all of us, you and I and the very poor and down and out living in a cardboard box out on the desert.
Now tell us that you and your neighbor make too much money. I will also show you the history of taxes if you're interested where the wealthy used to pay their fair share and no longer do. The common people used to have write offs too but now we have a virtual flat tax and the wealthy still have tax loopholes and write offs. The common people, you and I pay the majority of the taxes, which finance the wars that benefit the wealthy aka "the wealthy's wars" and we provide our children to die for their "so called free enterprise their so called capitalist system". I submit to you that these are just empty words with variable definitions. We have a country and political ideology now that is undefined by any words so keep believing all these old bully slogans like "you're a socialist or communist, or fascist" and words that keep you from waking up to what's really going on. It's a new world today and there are two classes of people, those below a million dollars of income and those above, no exceptions. Those below, Me and you, are no better than the very poorest of the poor, we simply have access to food and shelter but are only minutes, hours or months away from joining the poor on the streets. We are all dependent on the very wealthy for what we call, small businesses, jobs and work. We really need to examine what we have and who we are and what group we are really in. It's easy to look at the down trodden, the down and out, the despicable and say "that ain't me, I'm better than that" because we simply can't see the wealthy but we can drive just a little ways to see the down and out and look at those despicable people. We should be asking ourselves "How far do I have to drive to see the extremely wealthy, the 2%?" The fact is, we can't even drive there (excepting therefrom maybe Warren Buffet and Bill Gates) because they don't live near us in fact many of them don't live in this country at all. They live off shore, own their own islands sometimes countries and live on their own mega yachts.
Note: I enjoy the discussion and I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you or anyone else. It's just another point of view to consider. I respect your point of view although I respectfully disagree at the same time.
I need to go do some "work" now to protect myself from the desert LOL.
Bruce
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:14 PM, UltraJohn <japrice@mindspring.com> wrote:
Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs...
Simple!
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On Thursday 16 December 2010 09:04:04 pm b d wrote:
> Do you know why they did it? It seems like they have everything a business
> could want for right here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy
> consumers . . . . why would they leave all that for China? I'm just
> curious if anyone has any opinions?
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lyle Cox <LyleCox@funaerosports.com>wrote:
> > Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you
> > could get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling
> > foreign goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were the
> > pillars of an industry go this direction.
>
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