I knew that bob would clearify this part.  Thanks bob

Bob 47N
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On 12:11 PM 5/31/2010, Bob Streeter wrote:

>Bob forgot to mention that you need a mechanics certificate if you are doing this Annual
>yourself. I assume you are sure it was Registered as an E-LSA and not E-AB,
>in which case you can't do your own annual if you were not the original builder.

The original poster didn't indicate that he was going to do his own annual. He was asking advise on how to prep his plane for the person who was going to do the annual.

Its a "repairman certificate" (not a "mechanics certificate"). Even if the plane is amateur-built, one still needs to hold at least a repairman certificate for that aircraft (or be an A&P to perform the annual condition inspection. Simply being the "original builder" does not qualify someone to perform an annual on an AB aircraft. (Being the "original owner" is the prerequisite, if that person wants to obtain the repairman certificate for that AB). Both E-LSA and E-AB require someone with either an A&P, or a repairman certificate to perform the annual. The process by which one gets the repairman certificate is different, depending on how the plane was certificated.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group First annual

On 12:11 PM 5/31/2010, Bob Streeter wrote:

>Bob forgot to mention that you need a mechanics certificate if you are doing this Annual
>yourself. I assume you are sure it was Registered as an E-LSA and not E-AB,
>in which case you can't do your own annual if you were not the original builder.

The original poster didn't indicate that he was going to do his own annual. He was asking advise on how to prep his plane for the person who was going to do the annual.

Its a "repairman certificate" (not a "mechanics certificate"). Even if the plane is amateur-built, one still needs to hold at least a repairman certificate for that aircraft (or be an A&P to perform the annual condition inspection. Simply being the "original builder" does not qualify someone to perform an annual on an AB aircraft. (Being the "original owner" is the prerequisite, if that person wants to obtain the repairman certificate for that AB). Both E-LSA and E-AB require someone with either an A&P, or a repairman certificate to perform the annual. The process by which one gets the repairman certificate is different, depending on how the plane was certificated.

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Bob forgot to mention that you need a mechanics certificate if you are doing this Annual

yourself. I assume you are sure it was Registered as an E-LSA  and not E-AB,

in which case you can't do your own annual if you were not the original builder.

Bob 47N
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>What do they check?

As an experimental, your operating limits should tell you that the annual condition inspection is to follow the scope & detail of 14 CFR Part 43, Appendix D. So, read that appendix, and you should see the things that should be done. Your op limits should also show you the wording of the endorsement made, upon completion of the inspection.

>What paper work do I need ? I have the AROW, but the plane (AB-ELSA) didn't have a POH or flight manual.

An attentive inspection should include verifying the documents are in order, so yeah, AROW should be on board.

>Do I need a radio station lic. ?

That was back in the "ARROW" days. No, for USA operations, no radio station license needed.

Things you could to do help out, would be to clean the plane/engine, replace oils, filters, spark plugs, crappy fuel lines, if needed.

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group First annual

Fish,

*I* would replace the overlong bolts and anything else that is showing excessive
wear, corrosion, and/or improper installation.

No radio license needed in the U.S.

There is no such designation as AB-ELSA.
Do you mean Experimental Amateur Built (E/AB) that happens to meet the LSA
limits?

The A&P will want to see the airframe, engine, prop logs.

If the engine is not one of the big three (lycoming, continental, franklin) then
just finding a A&P to perform the inspection could be a problem.

Generally, ALL the access panels will need to be opened and the cylinders accessible (usually means removing the upper cowl) so the differential pressure
test on each cylinder can be performed. The upper cowl needs to removed, even
if the cylinders are already accessible, so the firewall forward area can be
inspected.

Items like the transponder, encoding altimeter and ELT paperwork needs to be up-
to-date, or expect a delay and extra charges to inspect/update those items.

If you do not open everything, as described above, then the A&P will charge
extra to open them.

All applicable ADs must be already implemented or the A&P will charge extra to
implement them.

Expect the A&P to perform a OIL/Filter change and perform an inspection of the
old filter. You can save your self some cash by already having performed the
oil/filter change and have the old filter at hand.

Similar expenses can be saved by recently changing the sparkplugs (and any other
life limited items, like the fuel filter), log the maintenance, and have the old
items at hand.

Of course, everything in the cockpit/instrument panel must be fully operational
(or plan on some extra expense as the A&P corrects any faults).

I think that your best move is to first contact the A&P that will perform the
annual inspection. The A&P is the one that will be in the best position to tell
you what they will want.

R. Williams

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Sent: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:42:44 -0000
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group First annual

> I'm preparing my (new to me) plane for the annual inspection. I'm not
> sure of what they check and would like to make it a positive, easy adventure.
>
> What do they check?
>
> I have found things on the plane like 4 washers on a bolt instead of
> the limit of 3. Should I replace the bolts before the inspection?
>
> What paper work do I need ? I have the AROW, but the plane (AB-ELSA)
> didn't have a POH or flight manual.
>
> Do I need a radio station lic. ?
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Rod
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group First annual

>What do they check?

As an experimental, your operating limits should tell you that the annual condition inspection is to follow the scope & detail of 14 CFR Part 43, Appendix D. So, read that appendix, and you should see the things that should be done. Your op limits should also show you the wording of the endorsement made, upon completion of the inspection.

>What paper work do I need ? I have the AROW, but the plane (AB-ELSA) didn't have a POH or flight manual.

An attentive inspection should include verifying the documents are in order, so yeah, AROW should be on board.

>Do I need a radio station lic. ?

That was back in the "ARROW" days. No, for USA operations, no radio station license needed.

Things you could to do help out, would be to clean the plane/engine, replace oils, filters, spark plugs, crappy fuel lines, if needed.

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group First annual

I'm preparing my (new to me) plane for the annual inspection. I'm not sure of what they check and would like to make it a positive, easy adventure.

What do they check?

I have found things on the plane like 4 washers on a bolt instead of the limit of 3. Should I replace the bolts before the inspection?

What paper work do I need ? I have the AROW, but the plane (AB-ELSA) didn't have a POH or flight manual.

Do I need a radio station lic. ?

Thanks for the help,

Rod

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An Ercoupe has mo rudder pedals.  A hand brake can be installed.   Jeff

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I second what Helen said!! Great video.
H

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> On 5/27/2010 12:46 PM, mdhansen3000 wrote:
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> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Marc"<averys_98550@> wrote:
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> >> I've got a friend is getting the aviation bug and is looking at what is available that he could fly. He has no use of his legs so would need something that is only, or can be fitted with hand controls. He also would need to have a configuration to which he could mount or carry his wheelchair (16#) with him. It looks like a trike would most likely be the ticket, but I'm not well versed on the various layouts and/or modifications that can be done with the various models of trikes. But then I know we have some of you who are well versed in this area.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Neat video!

Helen

On 5/27/2010 12:46 PM, mdhansen3000 wrote:
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>
> Sean O'Donnell just posted a video about flying the Sky Arrow 600 with handontrols. Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PD1TUBzNKM.
>
> Hopefully this post will actually work and won't take a day to process.
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Marc"<averys_98550@...> wrote:
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>> I've got a friend is getting the aviation bug and is looking at what is available that he could fly. He has no use of his legs so would need something that is only, or can be fitted with hand controls. He also would need to have a configuration to which he could mount or carry his wheelchair (16#) with him. It looks like a trike would most likely be the ticket, but I'm not well versed on the various layouts and/or modifications that can be done with the various models of trikes. But then I know we have some of you who are well versed in this area.
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Sean O'Donnell just posted a video about flying the Sky Arrow 600 with handontrols. Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PD1TUBzNKM.

Hopefully this post will actually work and won't take a day to process.

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> I've got a friend is getting the aviation bug and is looking at what is available that he could fly. He has no use of his legs so would need something that is only, or can be fitted with hand controls. He also would need to have a configuration to which he could mount or carry his wheelchair (16#) with him. It looks like a trike would most likely be the ticket, but I'm not well versed on the various layouts and/or modifications that can be done with the various models of trikes. But then I know we have some of you who are well versed in this area.
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

My thoughts exactly. They'll know if there is an STC for it and who
holds it, and if not, what FSDO did the 337 for it so you can get the
records to present to your FSDO. I know I've seen the mod in magazines
about flying for the disabled.

Helen

On 5/27/2010 12:44 AM, Marc wrote:
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> For some reason the response button isn't carrying your post forward.
>
> The Cardinal with that big wide door and low stance would be a natural. I used to put my sons chair in the back of one and only the wheels had to go in from the front. I really miss not having that one available to fly any more. That STC I'll have to check with the CPA
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

If you want more info here is the link to the group site that has quite a few photos of the planes.  Roger P

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/StarFlight-UL/

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He's in the early stages right now. He never imagined flight would be possible for him, so now he's getting pumped. I'll just have to see if I can keep him going. The best would be to get him in a plane he can actually fly, I'll have to see if one of my buddies with an Ercoupe can give him a shot

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> The Starflight layout would also work well even though it is a pusher.  There is room behind the pilots seat for the chair and he wouldn't have to manuver around the wires to get in.  The attach behind the pilots seat.  The planes should be back in production around the end of this summer.  Roger P
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Helen
For some reason the response button isn't carrying your post forward.

The Cardinal with that big wide door and low stance would be a natural. I used to put my sons chair in the back of one and only the wheels had to go in from the front. I really miss not having that one available to fly any more. That STC I'll have to check with the CPA

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Helen
For some reason the response button isn't carrying your post forward.

The Cardinal with that big wide door and low stance would be a natural. I used to put my sons chair in the back of one and only the wheels had to go in from the front. I really miss not having that one available to fly any more.I've got to get him up ion the skyhawk this summer.

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He's in the early stages right now. He never imagined flight would be possible for him, so now he's getting pumped. I'll just have to see if I can keep him going. The best would be to get him in a plane he can actually fly, I'll have to see if one of my buddies with an Ercoupe can give him a shot

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> The Starflight layout would also work well even though it is a pusher.  There is room behind the pilots seat for the chair and he wouldn't have to manuver around the wires to get in.  The attach behind the pilots seat.  The planes should be back in production around the end of this summer.  Roger P
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Hand controls

The Starflight layout would also work well even though it is a pusher.  There is room behind the pilots seat for the chair and he wouldn't have to manuver around the wires to get in.  The attach behind the pilots seat.  The planes should be back in production around the end of this summer.  Roger P

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Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:34:38 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Hand controls

 

The Weedhopper or similar layout would be about as close to perfect in configuration, the tractor layout would allow the chair to stow behind the pilot. Pulling up and through the wires may not be to difficult for him. Purchase cost of course is going to be a factor, and it's a bit difficult finding someone who is already set up with hand controls for training.

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> There are several aircraft that can work or be adapted to work.  I have seen a Weedhopper flown by a paraplegic pilot.  The nose wheel was connected to the stick.  I know a Starflight can be adapted and would have no trouble hauling a wheel chair.  Roger P
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

I think there is one for the C177 Cardinal.

Helen


May 25, 2010 11:02:17 AM, Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com wrote:

If this much money was involved, there's an STC for hand controls in both the C172 and PA-28 that could be looked into. Nice looking little kite though

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> In addition, there is an LSA, the Paradise P1 Aircraft, that can fit a
> wheelchair:
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> http://www.paradiseaircraft.us/index.html
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> http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/pilot-reports/paradise-aircraft/win
> gs-for-a-wheelchair-paradise-p1.html





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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Youth Aviation Adventure Program

This past weekend we held the first Youth Aviation Adventure program
sponsored by Chesapeake Sport Pilot (this is a Nation Program). This
program put 69 Boy Scouts through their aviation merit badge
requirements and was followed by Young Eagle flights. It was made
possible entirely by volunteers from CSP, EAA Chapters 4 and 571, and
other area pilot groups. Everyone had a great time.

Photos from the event are available at: http://tiny.cc/360ds

We had overwhelming interest in this program, so much so we had to turn
many kids away. If anyone on this list would be interested in
organizing such a program at their home field, please drop me a note.
We would like to spread the fun!

Helen

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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Hand controls

If he has a plane in mind and wants it modified email me off group.  I am an A&P and don't charge for head scratching.  Roger P

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From: Marc <averys_98550@comcast.net>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:22:43 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Hand controls

 

Thanks Mark,

This is the kind of information I was looking for. I knew this group was well rounded and would be a great resource. We're going to be talking to Steve Shoper this July too. He may be able to give us some real pointers as well. He used to fly with the Northern Lights till his accident.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, mpoliak@... wrote:
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> Marc,
>
> You may contact Max Harth at harthmr$smithville.net 
> (using the @ symbol instead of the $) as Max is the chair of the
> aerosports connection handicap wing and is familiar with handicap
> pilots.  Max flies a Rans S12 Rotax 582 2 place that is altered to
> accomodate his handicap.  One of the instructors at our club helped
> Max through the changes of the aircraft.  As Abid stated, it is best
> to fly your aircraft and to get an instructor to fly a handicap plane is
> difficult but can be done. Max has use of his arms and cannot grip but can
> move his hands well enough to accomplish a perfect flight.  His
> airfield flooded in Bloomfield, IN a few years ago and our club helped him
> rework his plane.  In addition to being a good friend, he is my hero
> when it comes to perfection and climbing any personal
> mountain.  
>
> He is familiar with trikes but flies a
> fixed wing.  He may be able to help you in many ways we regular
> trikers can't.
>
> Mark Poliak
> Astra HKS
> Westfield, IN
>

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

I just wish we could get an Able Flight booth up here at the AFI. Seems so many of the good resources center and attend on the east side and to few make it up here to the Pacific Northwest.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "mdhansen3000" <maddog52@...> wrote:
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> The Sky Arrow 600 has a T-handle that puts the throttle and rudder on the left console. It takes about 5 seconds to remove or install it. The handbrake levers are located on the right console near the control stick. The controls become very intuitive after just a little training. Some models of wheel chair can be broken down and stored under the back seat. We've had 8 initial students and 1 return to flight pilot use the handcontrols due to spinal cord injury. One is still in training but the rest all earned their SP certificate. One youngman was actually classified as a quadraplegic due to the level of his injury. All were able to enter the aircraft with little or no assistance. Sean O'donnell took his SODA ride and I signed his 8710 so he could take his PP check while he was here visiting us last summer. The Ableflight scholars are a lot of fun and very rewarding to fly with.
>
> We are also working on hand controls for our FK 9 and hope to have an approved set to demonstrate at Airventure. As someone pointed out, Ableflight and Wheelchair pilots are great resources.
>
> Checkout www.hansenairgroup.com or www.phillysportpilot.com if your buddy is interested. I can also send some pictures of the hand controls if you want. You can also see a video of them in action on the Ableflight website.
>
> Your friend is going to have a blast which ever aircraft he chooses to train in.
>
> Mitch Hansen
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Thanks Scott,

I've bookmarked the article, I really don't think he's quiet ready to shell out a stack of greenbacks, Yet. What do you have?

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "sticknrudderflighttraining" <ScottJ@...> wrote:
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> Flight Design has created a cargo pod for wheel chairs and hand controls to replace the feet on rudders. Here is a link to the AOPA article http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2010/100409flightdesign.html Call me and I will sell you an airplane ready to go.
>
> Scott
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> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Marc" <averys_98550@> wrote:
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> > I've got a friend is getting the aviation bug and is looking at what is available that he could fly. He has no use of his legs so would need something that is only, or can be fitted with hand controls. He also would need to have a configuration to which he could mount or carry his wheelchair (16#) with him. It looks like a trike would most likely be the ticket, but I'm not well versed on the various layouts and/or modifications that can be done with the various models of trikes. But then I know we have some of you who are well versed in this area.
> >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

If this much money was involved, there's an STC for hand controls in both the C172 and PA-28 that could be looked into. Nice looking little kite though

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Jean-Marie Bonnar" <jbonnar@...> wrote:
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> In addition, there is an LSA, the Paradise P1 Aircraft, that can fit a
> wheelchair:
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> http://www.paradiseaircraft.us/index.html
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> http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/pilot-reports/paradise-aircraft/win
> gs-for-a-wheelchair-paradise-p1.html

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Hand controls

Thanks Owen,

I''ll add these to my list of contacts.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Owen" <owenstrawn@...> wrote:
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> Your friend will find a great deal of assistance available by contacting Able Flight
> http://www.ableflight.org/scholarships.html
>
> or the international Wheelchair Aviators
> http://www.wheelchairaviators.org/additional_resources.html
>
> Sean O'Donnell in PA is a particularly helpful individual
> www.phillysportpilot.com
> info@...
>
> Good luck!
> Owen
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