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From: bob mcdonagh
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Cc: bob mcdonagh
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2325
What rules are you quoting that made it okay to fly around the 'Lady;? I've flown that area a few times. And we were always under Air Traffic Control's communications and directions.
We recently had a plane and helicopter collide in that Hudson River area. Yes, a few UL type aircraft have done some flying in that area. But, most had enough sense to have a radio and communicate with ATC.
This was dumb and stupid. And leads to more control over all of us - even the ones that have followed the rules. Bob McDonagh
----- Original Message -----Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:43 AMSubject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2325Messages In This Digest (4 Messages)
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- Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty From: James Ferris
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- Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty From: Michael Huckle
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- Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty From: apollonorthamerica
- 1d.
- Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty From: Chris
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Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
Posted by: "James Ferris" mijniljj@yahoo.com mijniljj
Wed Jun 2, 2010 6:22 am (PDT)
Helen you always have your head on straight, I have only disagreed with you once. That thing about mountain flying was good except for the mountain wave, it can be fun, you can climb at 3000ft/minute with the engine off and my sailplane people love it. The big thing is to stsy out of the rotor cloud at all cost.
Jim
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From: Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@verizon.net >
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 6:33:37 AM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
I must totally disagree with this statement. While the pilot in
question may not have broken any rules, I know that I for one teach my
students that aviation is much more about courtesy than it is about
rules per se. He broke several rules of courtesy and continuing to do
so, is only going to reflect poorly on all of us.
There is no difference in my mind between what he did and selecting a
church on a Sunday morning as a spot to teach your students turns around
a point. It's perfectly legal but is it the right thing to do? And if
the pastor were to lodge a complaint about his sermon be drowned out by
the whine of a Rotax would it be the right thing to do to send more
people over next Sunday there to make sure he didn't get his way?
Use some common sense here guys. We have one of the best aviation
systems in the world here in the US and really are minimally regulated.
The way to keep it that way is to make sure that basic courtesy remains
and integral component of our decision making process.
Helen
On 6/2/2010 1:26 AM, Michael Huckle wrote:
> Now the real important thing, is that he makes the same flightagain to
> morrow, and the next day. (or on any day he has free to fly)Otherwise,
> the complainer will have achieved his objective......"I got rid of the
> ultralight flying in my air-space!"
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> Cheers,
> Mike
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Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
Posted by: "Michael Huckle" m230683@hotmail.com mikehuckle
Wed Jun 2, 2010 8:03 am (PDT)
> I must totally disagree with this statement. While the pilot in
> question may not have broken any rules, I know that I for one teach my
> students that aviation is much more about courtesy than it is about
> rules per se. He broke several rules of courtesy and continuing to do
> so, is only going to reflect poorly on all of us.
>
> There is no difference in my mind between what he did and selecting a
> church on a Sunday morning as a spot to teach your students turns around
> a point. It's perfectly legal but is it the right thing to do? And if
> the pastor were to lodge a complaint about his sermon be drowned out by
> the whine of a Rotax would it be the right thing to do to send more
> people over next Sunday there to make sure he didn't get his way?
You appear to be saying Helen, that while he did not infringe any
airspace nor "get too close to people", nor cause a danger to them,
that he made a noise nuisance of himself by flying around and around?
(did I understand you right?)
If yes, then that's that's the first time I heard he'd been
"flying around and around making a noise disturbance".
Then, yes, he shouldn't do that.
If on the other hand, he *wasn't* doing that, then he can carry on.
And in that case, I'll re-write my suggestion to exclude his making
a "round and round" noise nuisance:
>> Now the real important thing, is that he makes
>> the same flight again tomorrow, and the next day.
>> (or on any day he has free to fly)
>> (without creating a "round and round noise nuisance")
>> Otherwise, the complainer will have achieved his objective......
>> "I got rid of the ultralight flying in my air-space!"
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
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Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
Posted by: "apollonorthamerica" apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com apollonorthamerica
Wed Jun 2, 2010 3:17 pm (PDT)
You need to get more specific information about the Hudson corridor. If you flew around statue of liberty on one side above 500 feet, you are out of the VFR corridor and you are in Newark airspace.
The corridor has specific rules and directions and heights and around statue of liberty you usually are at 500 feet unless you are in contact with ATC
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , Ted Gelletly <championprinting@com ...> wrote:
>
> The SOL is a National Monument: http://www.nps.gov/stli/ index.htm
> In order to be "legal":
> FAA Advisory Circular AC 91-36, Visual Flight Rules (VFR) Flight Near Noise-Sensitive Areas, defines the surface of a national park area (including parks, forests, primitive areas, wilderness areas, recreational areas, national seashores, national monuments, national lakeshores, and national wildlife refuge and range areas) as: the highest terrain within 2,000 feet laterally of the route of flight, or the upper-most rim of a canyon or valley.
>
> 2000 feet is a relatively long way and the police should know these rules. Any idea of how far he really was?
>
> I think Helen's post on courtesy also applies. Why provoke anyone just because we can? I'm not saying that this was the case here, especially without the facts.
> Ted
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> From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 11:06:55 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
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>
> He broke not a single reg.
> The compliant from park police was that he flew within 150 feet of the statue. The flight was all being recorded on video and FAA asked NYC police helicopters to track the trike and they did. After seeing the video however, they realized that he never flew even over the land on the island so the park police was off by 1000's of feet. They apologized and let him go.
> It was an aircraft built by us and a private pilot trained to fly WSC by me. So this is the best info I have so far. It is however better than the WSJ garbage about fixed wing Monsoon and FAA said there would be an investigation. It was a S-LSA Monsoon 912S weight-shift-control aircraft and the only investigation may be for the park police guy to get a better prescription for his lenses.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , "Chris" <chris.holub@com > wrote:
> >
> > An ultralight aircraft flew within 150 feet of the Statue of Liberty Monday morning prompting a police helicopter to escort the aircraft to the Westchester County Airport.
> >
> > Police said Barry Maggio, 59 years old, of Hampden, Mass., buzzed the Statue of Liberty in the fixed-wing, two-seat aircraft at 7:10 a.m. After the U.S. Parks Police notified the Federal Aviation Administration, the New York Police Department launched a chopper to intercept the flight.
> >
> > The police helicopter radioed Mr. Maggio as he neared the George Washington Bridge, police said. It was unclear exactly how much time had elapsed, but police said the call from the FAA was at 7:45 a.m.
> >
> > Mr. Maggio was questioned at Westchester Airport about the incident and released, police said. A spokesman for the FAA said there would be an investigation, but as of Monday afternoon no charges had been filed or fines levied by the FAA or NYPD.
> >
> > "I haven't lived here in a while but I guess I didn't realize that security was that tight," Mr. Maggio said in an interview. Security is "obviously different in the city here, in Lower Manhattan, and I didn't take that into account."
> >
> > Mr. Maggio, who grew up on Staten Island and returned to the East Coast after 14 years in San Diego, said that while he flew low, he followed all regulations and videotaped the three-hour flight starting with his takeoff from Ellington, Conn., at sunrise. Mr. Maggio said that police viewed the video, saw that "they weren't terrorism videos," and released him.
> >
> > The flight was in an Apollo Aircraft Inc. Monsoon, which has a 100-horsepower engine and is steered by shifting weight, according to Mr. Maggio. Police said that Mr. Maggio and the aircraft are licensed.
> >
> > "This morning was absolutely gorgeous," Mr. Maggio said. "It was dead calm. The sun was up. It was bright."
> >
> > Still, he said he didn't take into account heightened security, including that there might be extra concerns due to the Memorial Day weekend.
> >
> > "They just told me to follow them in," said Mr. Maggio about his radio contact with the police helicopter. "It was a unique morning."
> >
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/ SB10001424052748 7034066045752788 40181561192. html?mod= dist_smartbrief
> >
> > I don't know what would make anyone think that buzzing a national monument and on top of that on Labor Day would be a good idea. I guess he is lucky if they don't at the least fine him regardless of his intentions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
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Re: Ultralight pilot buzzes Statue of Liberty
Posted by: "Chris" chris.holub@cox.net holub_chris
Thu Jun 3, 2010 12:37 am (PDT)
I didn't see if anyone had posted the video of his flight but here is part of it
http://www.trikepilot.com/videos/ view/shaking- hands-with- lady-liberty_ 8986.html? m=939
Cheers,
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