I thought you were upset at my comments about the stupid authorities? I can only imagine that would be a reference from my post to "intelligence services" we have in our country that failed due to bureaucracy to connect the dots, something determined by commissions later also hired by the other authorities.
I guess I did not understand you.
To be clear I did not or did not intend to put down the whole EAA or AOPA, just the particular persons responsible for posting out in an over-reactive manner information that was at best sensational with little basis in facts. I want them to be held to a higher standard when writing about aviation matters than the guy at WSJ.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@...> wrote:
>
> My apologies to the group.
> I don't know why Abid's comments about EAA and AOPA were so offensive to me.
> I'm sure it's just me. I'll try to keep from expressing myself like that again.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helen Woods
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Statue of Liberty Flight - Final Analysis
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> To all: On the behalf of the moderators, I would kindly like to request that name calling, insults, and other language most commonly used by pupils in junior high school not be posted to this list. If you feel you must resort to such behavior, please do so in the form of private e-mails.
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> Helen
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> Jun 17, 2010 08:03:33 AM, Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> Abid, you are one of those little guys who thinks he knows better than all the "stupid authorities". A desperate need to show you are smarter.
> By your standards we shouldn't believe a word you type because of all the things you have mis-stated on these listts over the years.
>
> Get over yourself.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apollonorthamerica
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:52 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Statue of Liberty Flight - Final Analysis
>
>
>
> Dan,
> I disagree with your sentiments there.
> Its not about getting shorts in a bunch.
> Its about asking for facts and holding aviation (supposed) orgs to higher standards.
>
> e-brief at AOPA HAS to go out with a deadline so the reporter cannot look up simple FAA airmen database with a name, find out the pilot and aircraft info and look up the latest FAR ... and he is a reporter for AOPA???
>
> Can I have his job and salary. I think I can run my company and do his job about as good as he does.
>
> Same for EAA.
>
> Simple fact is:
> It was a TRIKE not an airplane Dan.
> That's it.
> The faster you can see that the faster you will get the true picture.
> I do hope you set the record straight and set those reporters at EAA Hotline straight too.
>
> They need to get used to the new reality and catch up to the times. Fast!
>
> Prudent? What you are then saying is that we have a law, and we have the freedom to exercise within that law but somehow we should not.
>
> My answer to that is ... change the law to take that freedom away. Because if I cannot exercise my freedom under that law ... the freedom just doesn't exist then.
>
> The kid working at the park police who created the fiasco (not Barry) should get a bit better job training don't you think. He wasted quite a bit of mine and your tax dollars there.
>
> May be he was told that terrorists only fly 1000 pound open cockpit aircraft and Eurocopters flying the same place and in the same way can never have terrorists in them.
>
> This is the result of paranoia when you have the most expensive intelligence operation in the world and they miss the most basic common sense links in the bureaucratic jungle and cause a wound likes of which we have never experienced before, due to shear incompetence and change the psyche of a whole nation even after a decade.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "dangrunloh" wrote:
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dan,
> > > The day EAA and AOPA start taking their "facts" from a WSJ or any such media reporter, is the day I'd start loosing respect for them.
> > >
> > > Wait a sec ... that day already came and went :).
> >
> > Don't get your shorts in a bunch. Isn't WSJ the most respected newspaper in the country? Don't we hear print journalists always telling us that the Internet is crap and only they the pros can get it right and be trusted? Of course that's not true. Media outlets get by with this kind of stuff with the caveat "WSJ reported etc."
> >
> >
> > >
> > > We expect more out of supposed aviation specific org media. There is no excuse for their looseness of reporting. None.
> >
> > None? We should be careful how we use the word "they". I did it myself.
> >
> > How about e-Brief the daily from AOPA is written by one guy with no help, no research staff, and a daily deadline. Something must go out. Unfortunately the writers are from GA and hold all the usual justified prejudices about ultralights. The news report from WSJ is all too believable in their view. The sin is then to embellish and add commentary but that's what the owners want. He is not just supposed to be a stenographer so he adds stuff which seems right to him (or her).
> >
> > EAA's e-Hotline is a weekly but a similar one man staff is tasked to put out 9 or 10 different newsletters per month or 2-3 per week while up to his ears in alligators and understaffed because everybody wants to keep costs down. I too cringed when I read the inference that there was an "airspace incursion". It didn't help that everybody printed Barry's offhanded quote about not being aware of the heighten security in and around lower Manhattan. It sounded like an admission that he was not fully briefed (of course false).
> >
> >
> > > I don't see why Barry flying completely legally like a helicopter would in that area is "not" prudent.
> >
> > The evidence is right there in the outcome.
> >
> > Is it more prudent to be at 1000 feet like he was 2 days before and felt he was causing a dangerous situation because he can slow down to 50 MPH while the other traffic in the corridor at that altitude is going at 100 knots?
> >
> > No he was fine right where he was. That is where he should be if he wants to circle the island, there is no circling in the upper corridor. Actually circling like the helicopters might have been better than flying straight at it and pulling away at the last moment. Barry didn't fully realize that a lot of people are still traumatized by the 911 attack. I looked up Liberty Island on my Topo USA computer program. It is 600 feet wide and 1200 feet long. The statue is less than 300 feet from the waterline on the south side. It would have been prudent to give it a little more room and perhaps shoot the pictures with a tele or let someone know he was coming but that's just my opinion.
> >
> > Luckily I get to tell the story next month in EAA Light Plane World and I have the benefit of all the commentary here and from a long talk with Barry. I'm on his side and plan to hit hard on the media for their reporting. Unfortunately millions heard and will remember that an "ultralight buzzed the statue of liberty" but only 20 thousand or so will read the real story in LPW.
> >
> > --dan grunloh
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That's when he decided that if he would fly at slow trim he would create a better safety situation to go down to the 500 feet level and fly with some helis.
> > >
> > > His other option of course was to set his trim to fastest position and fly at 78 knots but he was interested in seeing and enjoying the view.
> > >
> > > Abid
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "dangrunloh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Its Official. The NY Flight Standards Office informed Barry Maggio that the matter has been put to rest and that the park police was unaware of the new rules that took effect on April 2, 2010 for trikes that allow trikes to fly like helicopters at lower altitudes than airplanes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also they confirmed that Barry never went over any land on that island and was always on water. Park police is now aware of the new rules.
> > > > > Abid
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm also been talking to Barry and also got that info from him today. Will have photos and story in July EAA Light Plane World. Legal but perhaps not prudent. All might have been avoided if he had notified park officials of his plan.
> > > >
> > > > The fiasco with the media comes from believing details without question because the report came from WSJ. Even the aviation media was suckered. The "intercept" is a hoot. Barry saw the then unidentified NYCPD craft behind him on his PCAS display and actually called them first.
> > > >
> > > > Initial report blamed on a park employee who had never seen an "ultralight" flying where the helicopters are usually seen.
> > > >
> > > > Barry said news blog posters were saying he should have been shot down
> > > > and he was not fit to ride a bicycle let alone fly a plane. It's a feeding frenzy out there.
> > > >
> > > > --dan grunloh
> > > >
> > >
> >
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