Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group the Blame Game

So have you tried pricing a 503 stick trike today like the one you saw. Its probably in the $25k range and its been 11 years. That sounds about right to me.

If you are going to compare an out of production 503 stick trike from 1999-2000 with a LSA with 912S and full instrumentation, I don't know that's an apples to apples comparison
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@...> wrote:
>
> Abid,
>
> Since you ask,,,
>
> In 1999, I saw several trikes and fixed wings for less than 2000, I even thought
> about purchasing a fixed wing, mostly due to the low price.
> I was not positively impressed with the suspensions, etc.
>
> I did finally purchase a titan trike by Northwing.
> with rotax 503, pod, wheelpants, etc and northwing wing.
> Total cost was less than 12k.
>
> At that time, I was getting flight training from John Beaman. $50/hr.
>
> Things have changed drastically since then, and not for the better.
>
> R. Williams
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Original Message -----------
> From: "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:59:38 -0000
> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group the Blame Game
>
> > Hi Richard
> > come on man. Which 2 seater exempt trainer UL was $5000 in 2003. And
> > which BFI was charging $50/hour including rental if the aircraft in a
> > decently maintained trainer
> >
> > I know that in 2002 cosmos 912 trike with some options cost $40000 and
> > it was not as good as trikes you get today with a 912.
> >
> > I remember us charging $125/hour in 2003 and kemmries charged $150/hour
> > abid
> >
> > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Williams" <rkwill@> wrote:
> > >
> > > tade,
> > >
> > > IMO: you have missed the mark.
> > >
> > > The base line for flying expense is NOT GA/private pilot
> > > The base line for flying expense is UL/no license.
> > > A UL often cost less than $5000.
> > > A license was not required nor needed.
> > > Training was highly recommended.
> > > Training was ~50hr, including the UL (wet) and instructor.
> > >
> > > Those numbers ($5000 and $50) are what you need to be comparing against.
> > >
> > > R. Williams
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > From: "tadel001" <tadel001@>
> > > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:51:33 -0000
> > > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group the Blame Game
> > >
> > > > I often hear the argument that SP did not make flying cheaper because
> > > > the planes cost over $100K. People seem to be upset with the fact
> > > > that aircraft cost over $100K and therefore, SP failed to deliver.
> > > > First, if the dollar and euro were at the same 2004 levels, there
> > > > would be many aircraft under $100K. To simply look at the dollar as
> > > > the valuation mark is short sighted. Many of these LSAs listed in
> > > > Euro are less than $100K.
> > > >
> > > > SP actually has made it a lot cheaper to fly. The numbers are
> > > > actually about 50-60% cheaper. The average private pilot license cost
> > > > $8,000 to $12,000. Our school can produce pilots between $3,500 and
> > > > $5,000. So the person that couldn't afford a $12,000 license can now
> > > > get a license for under $5,000. I would say that is a huge savings.
> > > > That person can now rent an airplane. At a $7,000 savings on the
> > > > license and an average rental rate across the country of $100/hour,
> > > > that is 70 additional hours of flying (which is a lot for the average
> > > > pilot in a year). Now if you own the aircraft, you need to think
> > > > about insurance, storage, maintenance, etc... on a $60,000 aircraft
> > > > that could be another $5K-$7K a year. So, that is renting a plane for
> > > > 50-70 hours a year. I would say that SP has made flying a lot cheaper.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think the advertisement was "Sport Pilot Rule will make owning
> > > > an aircraft cheaper for all." I think the advertisemetn was "Sport
> > > > Pilot Rule will make flying more affordable." At 50-60% less cost to
> > > > fly, I would say it did that.
> > > ------- End of Original Message -------
> > >
> ------- End of Original Message -------
>

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