RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies

We are to accept that the American companies will limit themselves to only provide goods and services that are relatively safe from lawyers. All letigious products will be made offshore. For instance, the place where I work has a strong made in USA desire and no ability to fulfill it. We limit ourselves to distributing goods made in Asia since within 2 years of making them here, some fool's family would own our business. You can check the products we carry at www.helmethouse.com and I think the only thing in our entire inventory that is made in the USA is some of the helmet shields.

 

We have had lawsuits that include a motorcycle rider who center punched a freight train while his helmet was on his sissybar. His family thought we should pay over 10 million due to us forgetting to include a statement that the helmet must be worn to be effective. The suit was settled when the judge guided the allowable evidence to lead the case to be lost.

 

Another where the rider incorrectly installed his tailbag and it supposedly got caught in his rear tire causing him to crash. Our "design defect" allowing a tailbag to be installed incorrectly was worth 5 million. Of course there is no way to design anything that cannot be installed incorrectly, especially if the installer had no training and read no informative materials that were available.

 

Another was a CHP that was riding behind an asphalt tar truck that leaked crap onto the freeway causing him to crash. The helmet he was wearing didn't protect his neck from being compressed. His family wanted more from others involved, but also 5 mil from us.

 

Another lawsuit where we were included because we sell helmets to a store that also sold "novelty" helmets. The rider was wearing one of ours and was fine. His g/f on the back was wearing a beanie and died. We obviously were at fault since we allowed a dealer to sell novelty helmets along with ours.

 

The list is never ending and yet you wonder why we cannot have our goods made in the USA????????

 

Bill Watson

bill@sportpilot.info

bill@helmethouse.com

bill@tourmaster.com

 

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of b d
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 2:01 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies

 

That's not the point, are we to accept there will be no companies left in America because they could get sued? I rather doubt it.When they leave there will be someone else taking their place and building a better product than the first guy. It won't be as rosey as they think whereever they are going, even companies sue other companies for many things especially misbehavior. They are continuously in court but you only hear about the one consumer. Litigation is about finding equality just like the wind blows from a high pressure area to a low pressure area. Is that such a bad thing? Should BP not be sued to compensate all the people they killed and ruined? Should American workers, the common people, the 98% of us making less than a million a year, just roll over and the wealthy and powerful have their way with America and the 11 men they killed? On one hand some of the people on this list feel it's the workers fault for getting too much money. Where were they when the oil companies raised the price of gas at the pumps and robbed the people out of what money they did make. Why no outcry about socialism? Comparitively to the CEO's total income, the worker is terribly underpaid so why no outcry against the CEO? Why when a Union president get's a generous pay do some people get up in arms and scream socialist when his counterpart, the CEO is raping the company, the stockholders and the workers plus America. He doesn't get a fair wage for a good days work. He and the board who are in cahoots are raping the company and all the people including the consumers . . . where is the fairness and equality there? Why is no one yelling socialism to him and his buddies?  Why is no one yelling about the big NASA socialist program that feeds the wealthy with tax payer money? Where's the out cry there? Why should taxpayers have to take their money to support an agency that gives away lush contracts to the wealthy? Why no outcry there? 

 

I can guarantee you, but you probably won't believe me when I say there is not one person on this list who is not a common person by their income and yet they want to defend the 2% wealthy and powerful who control this country and has put it in this condition as if they were one of them. They should be more concerned about the 98% of Americans who are all getting screwed without a kiss. Your thoughts,

 

Why do we care if Cessna or Continental run off anyway? If China is so bad, if the Chinese people are so bad and such por quality then they will get their due for running off won't they?  Then Honda, Yamaha and Toyota can come in and build some decent aircraft for general aviation. I don't see where that's going to hurt America or the people will it. It may not happen overnight but it will surely happen and when it does we will like it just like we do their cars and motorcycles that run forever basically maintenance free.   

 

Bruce 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hello What cover will be available when the only companies left are too small or too large to sue? Peter --- On Fri, 12/17/10, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote: From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 7:41 PM     Okay, so what is the answer as you see it? Do we allow companies to do as they wish and not hold them responsible? I understand that you're comparing to another country such as China with no liability recourse but that was know when the US did it. What is the answer today to keep US companies here and not moving off shore or is it just too late? Certainly more will continue to follow. Your thoughts,   Bruce   On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Peter Walker <peterwalker58@yahoo.com> wrote:   Hello Your reply to my "liability" post isnt addressing the reason companies are moving off shore  Asking what you liability cover is to a company is about assessing the possible outcome of a claim  The level of ambit claims that succeed only increases business costs and make the option of moving offshore more enticing  Peter --- On Fri, 12/17/10, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote: From: b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Foreign owned aviation companies To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 6:53 PM       On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM, b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> wrote:   Another interesting response (see below) and thank you Abid. You seem to have first hand knowledge which I appreciate. Anyone else want to remark on the original question: Lyle Cox <LyleCox@...>wrote: Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you could get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling foreign goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were thec pillars of an industry go this direction.   b d <gpabruce@gmail.com> Asked: Do you know why they did it? (American companies moving offshore to China etal) It seems like they have everything a business could want for right here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy consumers . . . . why would they leave all that for China? I'm just curious if anyone has any opinions?    =====================================================================================================   (1) UltraJohn to Sport_Aircraft responded: Higher profits... American workforce has priced themselves out of jobs... Simple!   ===================================================================================================== Feel free to chime in and add your opinion and any facts you may have.   (2) Abid to Sport_Aircraft responded: Well I am not sure I completely agree.  1) The workforce in Asia is not as incompetent generally as you may think. That may have been true 20 years ago   2) I am originally from Asia, an immigrant to the US and I definitely would like more manufacturing here for sure but American workforce I can assure is not "so much more highly competent" compared to others and it definitely costs more. No doubt about that. Our younger generation does not possess (in general) the skills of those guys who used to be skilled at making things. They all are great at playing video games but that doesn't quite cut it when I want them to bend sheet metal and use a cnc lathe. Also, I can tell you just growing up in Asia, that the worker there is "more hungry". As a result they work harder in general. That's just how it is right this moment. Having said all that, I would like nothing better than Americans show discipline and buy more American made items. The usual drivel of "that's the American way" that I have heard in the US since I moved here in 1989 ... (you won't here that anywhere else in the world btw) ... and how has that way been been working out for ya?? That's all I got to say.   3) Cessna may have reasons beyond labor costs etc. C162 may be a way for them to get foothold in China which is slowly but surely opening up its skies and in the next 5 to 10 years will be a viable aviation market.   4) In the end business is about the bottom line and opening and growing markets when it goes public and has to answer to shareholders (not private). Besides Cessna and Continental, Cirrus is majority owned by a company that is basically middle-eastern. Those were the investors interested in investing in an American company and that's a shame. Do you think those investors and majority shareholders in UAE care about remaining in the US. I can guarantee you they don't.   Abid   =========================================================================================================  peterwalker58@yahoo.com Hello  Liability is a big one An overseas company can easily limit their exposure to claims If the $$$$ are hard to get to the lawyers aren't interested I was developing a radial and got some emails only interested in the liability coverage Chinese quality is good if you know what you want The biggest issue is buyers with no technical knowledge buying on price and looking for a quick buck  Want cheaper? No problem we make it a cheaper product Peter   =========================================================================================================   Peter, I know people are down on litigation and so on but without some leverage to do a job right, isn't that just as bad for the consumer? The big corporations don't want any rules or regulations or liability. Is that fair for the public?  We don't get to deregulate our own lives and ignore the stop signs and red lights and laws against robbing banks and gas stations so why should the wealthy, the oil companies and the banks be allowed to rob us with no penalty, the common people making less than a million per year. Notice that BP killed eleven people and were able to conduct their own criminal investigation. No one was found guilty of anything that I know of. Too bad us little common people, the 98% of the American people making less than 2% of the money are not able to conduct our own criminal investigations on our selves. Does that sound like we have a level playing field in this country?   I'm just curious what your thoughts are why people don't seem to mind the vast inequity between the wealthy and the common people here in the US?     Bruce                                                    --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, b d <gpabruce@...> wrote: >  > Do you know why they did it? It seems like they have everything a business > could want for right here. Low taxes, competent workforce, wealthy consumers > . . . . why would they leave all that for China? I'm just curious if anyone > has any opinions? > > > >   > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lyle Cox <LyleCox@...>wrote: > > > > > > > Well..my issue is that Cessna and Continental were as American as you > > could get. I have no issues with foreign countries building and selling > > foreign goods.....I just hate to see American companies that were the > > pillars of an industry go this direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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