Monday, October 31, 2011

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Experimental



Can they not be registered and certified as E-AB?  I know of no RV's that can't be certified E-AB.  Can't you build your Skyranger and certify it E-AB?  Why is that not an option?  Maybe I'm confused....
 
Bob Taylor
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From: A. Censor
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 1:16 PM
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Experimental

 

You know, I haven't looked at the site you mention but I bet I know
where the confusion lies. A factory cannot produce ELSAs until they
have built at least one SLSA of the same model. I bet because of that
the site is just listing them as SLSAs.

Helen

-------------
 
Yup, That's one source of confusion.
I regret I overstated in my post saying no more ELSA's can be built.
 
There are certain perfectly good ELSA's that can no longer be built and certified.
Because the factory is either unwilling or unable to go through the rather expensive and time consuming process of building and certifying one SLSA of that model.
Case in point: My Skyranger.
They're being built and flown in UK, Australia and Europe.
But you can't go out and buy a kit now in the USA and build and get one certified here because of that "first someone has to build and certify one SLSA of that model" here.
 
I believe for that same reason certain perfectly good models  or RV's can't be built and certified anymore.
I could be wrong about that one.
 
Alex
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Experimental

I believe you're correct on that, but won't double check because I'm not about to run out and build one myself ;-).

Nevertheless, Amateur Built isn't, in my opinion, a less desirable certification than ELSA because if you ever want to sell it the new owner is far more restricted on what he/she can do with and on it.
And, in my opinion, kind of a silly restriction as we could have two identical Skyrangers sitting side by side one Amateur built LSA and ELSA with very different restrictions on them.

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, UltraJohn <japrice@...> wrote:
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> But you can still go amateur built experimental on the Ranger, I believe.
> John
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Experimental

But you can still go amateur built experimental on the Ranger, I believe.
John


On Monday 31 October 2011 01:16:26 pm A. Censor wrote:
> You know, I haven't looked at the site you mention but I bet I know
> where the confusion lies. A factory cannot produce ELSAs until they
> have built at least one SLSA of the same model. I bet because of that
> the site is just listing them as SLSAs.
>
> Helen
> -------------
>
> Yup, That's one source of confusion.
> I regret I overstated in my post saying no more ELSA's can be built.
>
> There are certain perfectly good ELSA's that can no longer be built and
> certified. Because the factory is either unwilling or unable to go through
> the rather expensive and time consuming process of building and certifying
> one SLSA of that model. Case in point: My Skyranger.
> They're being built and flown in UK, Australia and Europe.
> But you can't go out and buy a kit now in the USA and build and get one
> certified here because of that "first someone has to build and certify one
> SLSA of that model" here.
>
> I believe for that same reason certain perfectly good models or RV's can't
> be built and certified anymore. I could be wrong about that one.
>
> Alex
>


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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: LSA Experimental



You know, I haven't looked at the site you mention but I bet I know
where the confusion lies. A factory cannot produce ELSAs until they
have built at least one SLSA of the same model. I bet because of that
the site is just listing them as SLSAs.

Helen

-------------
 
Yup, That's one source of confusion.
I regret I overstated in my post saying no more ELSA's can be built.
 
There are certain perfectly good ELSA's that can no longer be built and certified.
Because the factory is either unwilling or unable to go through the rather expensive and time consuming process of building and certifying one SLSA of that model.
Case in point: My Skyranger.
They're being built and flown in UK, Australia and Europe.
But you can't go out and buy a kit now in the USA and build and get one certified here because of that "first someone has to build and certify one SLSA of that model" here.
 
I believe for that same reason certain perfectly good models  or RV's can't be built and certified anymore.
I could be wrong about that one.
 
Alex
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

On 06:41 AM 10/31/2011, apollonorthamerica wrote:
>That is wrong.
>There are E-LSA's being built now.
>They were always supposed to be built.

There are 3 kinds of "E-LSA", per 21.191(i).

(1) The "transitioning ultralights"... A person can no longer register a plane in this category

(2) E-LSA built to "consensus standards"... this is the one where a company who produced at least one SLSA, can sell the equivalent plane as an E-LSA. (Such as the RV kit)

(3) SLSAs that are converted to E-LSA.


>I am not sure if there is an update to the rules yet but there was a problem with a S-LSA converted to E-LSA. On such an aircraft owners just couldn't go doing modifications themselves without an A&P sign-off.

That was another screwup from the FAA, and has been corrected already.

Basically, the FAA "forgot" to change part 43.1 to accommodate SLSAs that were converted to ELSA. This has been corrected already.


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

That is wrong.
There are E-LSA's being built now.
They were always supposed to be built.

I am not sure if there is an update to the rules yet but there was a problem with a S-LSA converted to E-LSA. On such an aircraft owners just couldn't go doing modifications themselves without an A&P sign-off. If the rules have not been updated on that yet, that info may be wrong as well.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "circicirci" <acensor@...> wrote:
>
> Incidentally:
> Any SLSA can be converted to an ELSA. The process is relatively simple (relative to originally geting an ELSA or any home built experimental was/is). Paperwork. No test flying required, etc.
>
> Some folks consider doing this because it means they can then legally do all their maintainance and are free to dabble in both major and minor modifications. And as others in this thread have explained, if the owner takes the 16 hour course can do his/her own annuals.
> The downsides include the plane can no longer be used for training, nor no matter what level of license the pilot has for any fee for services.
>
> Interestingly, an E-AB (experimental amateur-built), which has more restrictions on who can do what on it than an ELSA, can not be converted to ELSA. This next quote is from the EAA:
> "Sorry, the FAA does not have a process to convert an E-AB aircraft to an experimental light sport (E-LSA)."
>
> Seems, according to what I read at the EAA site, there are essentially no more ELSA's being built. It was pretty much just a one time thing up to 2008 allowing previously built uncertified aircraft that could meet the requirments to get so certified.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Bob Comperini <bob@> wrote:
> >
> > On 10:50 AM 10/27/2011, UltraJohn wrote:
> > >You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
> > >rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.
> >
> > Sorry.. That's not true. No FAA certification is EVER needed to perform maintenance on any kind of experimental.,
> >
> > An FAA rating is only needed for the required annual condition inspections. This is true for ANY experiemental.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Comperini
> > e-mail: bob@
> > WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
> >
>


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Sunday, October 30, 2011

Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



You know, I haven't looked at the site you mention but I bet I know where the confusion lies.  A factory cannot produce ELSAs until they have built at least one SLSA of the same model.  I bet because of that the site is just listing them as SLSAs.

Helen

On 10/30/2011 9:02 PM, Jerry wrote:

 

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of circicirci
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

 

 

Incidentally:
[Jerry] …………………………………………………………………….
Seems, according to what I read at the EAA site, there are essentially no more ELSA's being built. It was pretty much just a one time thing up to 2008 allowing previously built uncertified aircraft that could meet the requirments to get so certified.

[Jerry] ……………………………………………………………..>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@...
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>

[Jerry] There are more ELSA's being built – the  RV-12.

Jerry in NC



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



There's no more ultralight grandfathering ELSA going on but there are plenty of factory built ELSAs.  The float version of the Jabiru is an ELSA.  SeaReys not intended for the flight school are going to be ELSAs.  There are others as well I've seen at shows but these come to mind.

Helen

On 10/30/2011 9:02 PM, Jerry wrote:

 

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of circicirci
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

 

 

Incidentally:
[Jerry] …………………………………………………………………….
Seems, according to what I read at the EAA site, there are essentially no more ELSA's being built. It was pretty much just a one time thing up to 2008 allowing previously built uncertified aircraft that could meet the requirments to get so certified.

[Jerry] ……………………………………………………………..>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@...
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>

[Jerry] There are more ELSA's being built – the  RV-12.

Jerry in NC



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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



 

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of circicirci
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

 

 

Incidentally:
[Jerry] …………………………………………………………………….
Seems, according to what I read at the EAA site, there are essentially no more ELSA's being built. It was pretty much just a one time thing up to 2008 allowing previously built uncertified aircraft that could meet the requirments to get so certified.

[Jerry] ……………………………………………………………..>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@...
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>

[Jerry] There are more ELSA's being built – the  RV-12.

Jerry in NC



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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Good source of Sport Pilot and LSA reliable information

By the way: The EAA page "Ask the Expert" is in my opinion, a great source of pretty reliable info on such issues -- Specifically for LSA and Sport Pilot -- and a good place to ask questions if you're willing to wait up to a week sometimes to get an official answer:
http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmtopics.asp


You can also search the archives there and often find someone has already asked what you're asking and an official reply has been posted.
For example, if you put
repairman certification
or annual inspection
a lot of the same info we got here recently, and more, would have come up.


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

Incidentally:
Any SLSA can be converted to an ELSA. The process is relatively simple (relative to originally geting an ELSA or any home built experimental was/is). Paperwork. No test flying required, etc.

Some folks consider doing this because it means they can then legally do all their maintainance and are free to dabble in both major and minor modifications. And as others in this thread have explained, if the owner takes the 16 hour course can do his/her own annuals.
The downsides include the plane can no longer be used for training, nor no matter what level of license the pilot has for any fee for services.

Interestingly, an E-AB (experimental amateur-built), which has more restrictions on who can do what on it than an ELSA, can not be converted to ELSA. This next quote is from the EAA:
"Sorry, the FAA does not have a process to convert an E-AB aircraft to an experimental light sport (E-LSA)."

Seems, according to what I read at the EAA site, there are essentially no more ELSA's being built. It was pretty much just a one time thing up to 2008 allowing previously built uncertified aircraft that could meet the requirments to get so certified.


--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Bob Comperini <bob@...> wrote:
>
> On 10:50 AM 10/27/2011, UltraJohn wrote:
> >You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
> >rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.
>
> Sorry.. That's not true. No FAA certification is EVER needed to perform maintenance on any kind of experimental.,
>
> An FAA rating is only needed for the required annual condition inspections. This is true for ANY experiemental.
>
>
> --
> Bob Comperini
> e-mail: bob@...
> WWW: http://www.fly-ul.com
>


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Friday, October 28, 2011

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Rand Robinson KR2 Plans For Sale

Selling my unused KR2 plans. Serial #7145. Asking 150.00. Contact me @ dgwatson5@wildblue.net.

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Thursday, October 27, 2011

Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Trike Video - Burning Man 2011

:). Crazy man Damien
Abid

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> Enjoy !
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqUvSzdgAn8
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqUvSzdgAn8>
>
> If you prefer to download the file (for a windows computer or
> IPad/IPhone/Mac), click below. Under the "add comments" button is a link
> to the Ipad/Iphone file ->
>
> http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike20110905
> <http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike20110905>
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> Cheers,
>
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RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



 

 

From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Comperini
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:24 PM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

 

 

On 10:50 AM 10/27/2011, UltraJohn wrote:
>You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
>rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.

Sorry.. That's not true. No FAA certification is EVER needed to perform maintenance on any kind of experimental.,

An FAA rating is only needed for the required annual condition inspections. This is true for ANY experiemental.

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[Jerry] The two day course will not allow you to do the annual condition inspection for an amateur built experimental._



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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

On 10:50 AM 10/27/2011, UltraJohn wrote:
>You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
>rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.

Sorry.. That's not true. No FAA certification is EVER needed to perform maintenance on any kind of experimental.,

An FAA rating is only needed for the required annual condition inspections. This is true for ANY experiemental.


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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Wants to fly

The CFI where I will (more than likely) be doing my training owns an X-Air LSA 85 it appears to be well maintained, clean, damage free etc. I was scheduled to go up this week, however, work got in the way and had to postpone it :( nice weather too lol

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "circicirci" <acensor@...> wrote:
>
> "This way all your instruction can count towards a PPL."
>
> What John writes is correct.
>
> The downside to using a regular CFI for your sport pilot training can be this. He/she is used to taking a student through 40 to 60 hours of time (compared to the 20 to 35 hours a sport pilot instructor probably expects to spend.
> I used a regular CFI and he in my opinion out of habit and not being used to training sport pilots (me and my co-owner were his first and to date only sport pilot students) dragged our training out longer than necessary and signed us off to solo significantly later than he could safely have done so.
>
> The other downside you may run into is this:
> Many regular CFI's and FBOs will say "sure, we can train a sport pilot" but will train you in a non-LSA aircraft (a Cessna 172 or 150).
> Then when it's time for you to do your cross country and take your exam they don't have an aircraft that you can legally fly for those required parts (let alone one your familiar with that's legal).
>
> Another downside is many regular CFIs, even with much skill and many hours of experience, are not used to flying very light sport planes such as a challenger and you will spend money and time on them learning to get mastery of that aircraft if it's new to them.
> Some CFI's won't charge you for the time for them to get familiar with a new-to-them LSA. Others will charge you for them learning on your nickle.
>
>
> In short, if you use a regular CFI make sure he/she addresses these issues clearly with you.
>
> Finally: A regular CFI has _generally_ invested more time and money in getting his/her certification than a Sport Pilot Flight Instructor ... so may cost significantly more per hour.
>
>
>
> Another two cents. ;-)
>
> Alex
>
> Alex
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, John Weber <Ransfly@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Curt,
> > At this point make sure that your instructor is a regular CFI, not a CFI-sport instructor. This way all your instruction can count towards a PPL. EAA and AOPA have a petition with the FAA to allow light sport instructors hours to count as well, but we will have to see what the FAA decides. As I am a light sport instructor I feel that I can counsel someone in this regard. If you are only interested in light sport, the a CFI-sport would be fine. On a lighter side, for a fun morning you might consider attending the Fall Fly-in at Gator Field in Groveland on November 19th. Use the following link for more info. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl)
> > http://www.flyinggators.com/fly-in.htm
> > On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:09 PM, rugbugus wrote:
> >
> > > My wife and I live in Ocala, FL. and would like to begin flying, I have looked into a couple flight schools in the area, I prefer to earn my PPL, although one school nearby offers the LSA cert.
> > > If someone lives near us and flys we'd like to get the chance to go up
> > > sometime. I am very willing to learn to fly.....who wouldn't lol
> > > Thanks
> > > Curt
> > >
> > >
> >
>


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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Wants to fly

Hey Ok and thanks John for the Fly-In info, Groveland is near us. I will speak to the CFI's in Coleman, I dont know if they are "reg" or Sport CFI's, this is important to me as I fully intend to obtain my PPL in the future.

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>
> Hi Curt,
> At this point make sure that your instructor is a regular CFI, not a CFI-sport instructor. This way all your instruction can count towards a PPL. EAA and AOPA have a petition with the FAA to allow light sport instructors hours to count as well, but we will have to see what the FAA decides. As I am a light sport instructor I feel that I can counsel someone in this regard. If you are only interested in light sport, the a CFI-sport would be fine. On a lighter side, for a fun morning you might consider attending the Fall Fly-in at Gator Field in Groveland on November 19th. Use the following link for more info. Sincerely John Weber(Leesburg, Fl)
> http://www.flyinggators.com/fly-in.htm
> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:09 PM, rugbugus wrote:
>
> > My wife and I live in Ocala, FL. and would like to begin flying, I have looked into a couple flight schools in the area, I prefer to earn my PPL, although one school nearby offers the LSA cert.
> > If someone lives near us and flys we'd like to get the chance to go up
> > sometime. I am very willing to learn to fly.....who wouldn't lol
> > Thanks
> > Curt
> >
> >
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Wants to fly

Awesome post Alex, I certainly appreciate the feedback!!

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Alex" <acensor@...> wrote:
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> Just a couple of tips and throughts from a student pilot (25+
> hours dual time 25+ hours of solo time and about to take his
> final flight test for Sport Pilot):
>
> The sport pilot license is for many a great license and the
> restrictions compared to private pilot for many people of no
> significance and it is less costly to get usually.
> But be cautious of this: Before going sport pilot license route
> make sure that either there are FBOs or flying clubs near you
> where Light Sport Aircraft (LSAs) are actually available to rent
> OR that you're prepared to go out and buy your own sport pilot
> legal aircraft (LSA). Otherwise you could find yourself with a
> useless license. In my area there is no sport pilot legal
> aircraft for rent within 150 miles. I had to either go for full
> private pilot or wait until I could afford my own LSA. Actuallly
> I purchased an LSA jointly with another pilot.
>
> Several pilots buying/sharing one aircraft is often a great
> option. It can easily make the difference between being able to
> afford to fly or not. If two of you share an aircraft there are
> many expenses (hanger, maintainance, repairs, etc) that are thus
> "half price" to you. And make no mistake, owning an aircraft has
> many expenses. If purchasing is even a consideration for you, you
> might post an ad on Barnstormers or on the bulletin boards at
> nearest airports and spread the word around that you're
> interested in sharing -- either buying into share of an existing
> owner's plane or shopping together.
> Look for flying clubs. There are basically two kinds: There are
> what I call commercial flying clubs. Those are really an aircraft
> rental business set up a "club". Basically, they're giving you
> certain priority on the aircraft access and a modest but
> signficant discount on the rental rate in exchange for you
> joining and or buying a block of time in advance or paying a one
> time joining-the-club membership fee. These are worth
> considering. What I think of as real flying clubs are really
> joint ownership of one aircraft by two, three, four, or more
> people. These will in the long run likely be the least costly way
> to fly but you'd have to find or create one and come up with
> enough cash to buy half (or a third, or quarter, or whatever) of
> an aircraft.
>
> This is, if you have the resources, a very good time to buy a
> plane. With many older pilots retiring and the economy depressed
> there are some great buys out there. (The flip side is it's a
> lousy time to sell a plane.)
>
> If you are are now, or after you get a few flights, seriously
> able to consider buying an aircraft (whether by yourself or
> jointly with others), consider buying it before or early in your
> training: You would save a very large amount of money in rental
> fees during your dual time and even more in your solo time. You
> could think of the rental money you save as a significant
> discount on the price of the plane you purchase or big discount
> on the cost of your training.
> And you will have the additional advantage of learning in you OWN
> aircraft. You'd get to know it quite well. If going for sport
> pilot you'll likely spend at least 30 hours in it before getting
> your license. If private likely over 50 hours.
> If you, for example, do all your training and get your license in
> a Cessna 172 and then go out later and buy a Kitfox or rent a
> Skycatcher you'd have to pay an instructor or somehow get quite a
> bit of familiarization before you could fly it. There's quite a
> difference in the way they handle.
> I'm very glad I was able to do all my training in the aircraft I
> own half of.
>
> Almost all places that offer training offer intro flights of
> about half an hour. Often at a bit lower rate than their
> normal rental plus instructor rate. Go around and do that at any
> close enough airports and training businesses.
> That'll get you a taste of what you're getting into AND a chance
> to see if you and each instructor are a good match.
> Shop around. Where I am instructor's fees (not counting aircraft
> rental) vary from a low of $25 per hour to a high of $55.
> And the $25 instructor is just as good.... It's just that she's
> at a rural airport an hour away from the population center.
> And Consider this:
> You can get a student license without having ANY flight training.
> For a prospective sport pilot you don't even have to get medical
> (you can add a medical exam later if during your training you
> change your mind and want to go for full private.) A designated
> flight examiner who is familiar with sport pilot rules should
> issue you a student license and charge maybe $40 to do so. I you
> have an FAA office near enough they will issue one free if you
> come in with proper ID.
> If you get your student license immeaditly and take a logbook
> with you to several intro flights with instructors they should be
> willing to enter that half-hour or more in your logbook. If
> you're getting a bit of experience and paying for it might as
> well log it.
>
> Finally: Be realistic about what it will cost in time and money
> to get you license.
> The 20 hour sport pilot and 40 hour for private are usually
> exceeded by quite a bit.
> About 80% of those who start their private pilot training never
> finish.
> In most cases it's because it's costing more than they were
> expecting/prepared for and/or taking more time and dedication
> than they were expecting and prepared for.
>
>
> My two cents.
> Alex
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Wants to fly

Ok will do, thanks..

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
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> Ocala is about a 1.5 hour drive but check
> http://www.tampabayaerosport.com
>
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "rugbugus" <rugbugus@> wrote:
> >
> > My wife and I live in Ocala, FL. and would like to begin flying, I have looked into a couple flight schools in the area, I prefer to earn my PPL, although one school nearby offers the LSA cert.
> > If someone lives near us and flys we'd like to get the chance to go up
> > sometime. I am very willing to learn to fly.....who wouldn't lol
> > Thanks
> > Curt
> >
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



Thanks Bob C.     RainbowAv has what I was looking for.

On 10/27/2011 1:50 PM, UltraJohn wrote:
You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance  rights for it, IE if you didn't build it. John   On Thursday 27 October 2011 12:37:00 pm Bob Comperini wrote: 
You don't need the course to do maintenance on your experimental. You do  need it if you want to do the annual condition inspections on an E-LSA.  There are several providers of these courses I believe. It's possible  eaa.org may have a list. I do know that rainbowaviation.com has a list  - Bob Comperini  On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, David Drexler <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote: 
Greetings All,  Is there a national list for the 2 day course for doing you own maintenance and inspections for a LSA-experimental.  I Googled but could not find as I may be using the wrong terminology for the course.  I am in south Ga. and know I will have to travel to Fla. or Atlanta perhaps. Thanks in advance.  David d.   ------------------------------------  Yahoo! Groups Links 
 
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Re: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental



It doesn't do you any good though (aside from general knowledge) if the plane an E/AB rather than an ELSA.  You can't earn inspection privileges for and E/AB by taking a course.  You also don't need to be the builder to do maintenance on any experimental. 

Helen
 
 
On 10/27/11, UltraJohn<japrice@mindspring.com> wrote:
You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.
John


On Thursday 27 October 2011 12:37:00 pm Bob Comperini wrote:
> You don't need the course to do maintenance on your experimental. You do
> need it if you want to do the annual condition inspections on an E-LSA.
> There are several providers of these courses I believe. It's possible
> eaa.org may have a list. I do know that rainbowaviation.com has a list
>
> -
> Bob Comperini
>
> On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, David Drexler <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > Is there a national list for the 2 day course for doing you own
> > maintenance and inspections for a LSA-experimental. I Googled but could
> > not find as I may be using the wrong terminology for the course. I am
> > in south Ga. and know I will have to travel to Fla. or Atlanta perhaps.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > David d.
> >
> >
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

You still might need it for an Experimental if You don't have the maintenance
rights for it, IE if you didn't build it.
John


On Thursday 27 October 2011 12:37:00 pm Bob Comperini wrote:
> You don't need the course to do maintenance on your experimental. You do
> need it if you want to do the annual condition inspections on an E-LSA.
> There are several providers of these courses I believe. It's possible
> eaa.org may have a list. I do know that rainbowaviation.com has a list
>
> -
> Bob Comperini
>
> On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, David Drexler <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > Is there a national list for the 2 day course for doing you own
> > maintenance and inspections for a LSA-experimental. I Googled but could
> > not find as I may be using the wrong terminology for the course. I am
> > in south Ga. and know I will have to travel to Fla. or Atlanta perhaps.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > David d.
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

You don't need the course to do maintenance on your experimental. You do need it if you want to do the annual condition inspections on an E-LSA. There are several providers of these courses I believe. It's possible eaa.org may have a list. I do know that rainbowaviation.com has a list

-
Bob Comperini

On Oct 27, 2011, at 8:35 AM, David Drexler <david@paulowniatrees.com> wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> Is there a national list for the 2 day course for doing you own
> maintenance and inspections for a LSA-experimental. I Googled but could
> not find as I may be using the wrong terminology for the course. I am
> in south Ga. and know I will have to travel to Fla. or Atlanta perhaps.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> David d.
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group LSA Experimental

Greetings All,

Is there a national list for the 2 day course for doing you own
maintenance and inspections for a LSA-experimental. I Googled but could
not find as I may be using the wrong terminology for the course. I am
in south Ga. and know I will have to travel to Fla. or Atlanta perhaps.
Thanks in advance.

David d.


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Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Trike Video - Burning Man 2011



Enjoy !
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqUvSzdgAn8
 
If you prefer to download the file (for a windows computer or IPad/IPhone/Mac), click below. Under the "add comments" button is a link to the Ipad/Iphone file ->
 
http://www.emuvideo.com/videos.php?page=trike20110905
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher

Phil didn't mention a hard rudder. You may want to mention it to the owner's mechanic to take a look as it is I believe an adjustable item and should be checked if its properly setup. I also jumped in the seat and I did remember pushing the rudders just to see and I don't recall it being too hard.
Abid

--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand@...> wrote:
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> I just flew the skycatcher for the first time today as well. It is a nice stable
> platform. I will agree the controls felt well harmonized. My only complaint
> would be, what felt like to me, a heavy rudder. Really had to push down hard to
> center the ball during steep turns. Also needed left rudder during descents -
> having a heavy rudder a persons leg (mine) started to feel it. I am use to
> light inputs on my previous plane, the Sonex. I will fly the Skycatcher again.
> Michael Hilderbrand
> Derby, Kansas
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@...>
> To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, October 23, 2011 9:04:52 PM
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Cessna SkyCatcher
>
>
> A Cessna SkyCatcher showed up the other day and Phil Mednick got to fly it. It
> seemed to have 460 pounds useful load although Cessna advertises 490 pounds,
> most of the planes according to the dealer are coming in at 460 pounds useful
> load.
> So it was loaded close to gross when it was flown. According to Phil, it
> actually flew very nicely burning about 4 gallons per hour at 105 knots and
> cruised quietly and easily at at 120 knots IAS. Climbed about as good as our
> Apollo Fox (similar to Gary's plane). Stalled at 39 knots clean. Controls were
> very harmonized. Phil kept saying it flew a lot like the Apollo Fox except had
> less adverse yaw during steep turns. That to me means it flew pretty harmonized
> and very well. Phil is not easy on airplanes he flies especially in their
> handling. He is not easy with his compliments whether it was a Remos or Paradise
> or Sport Cruiser. He has found handling quirks in all of them in his opinion. He
> didn't in the 162 and he thought 162 flew faster than some of faster looking
> LSAs that look like they should fly faster but don't quite do it.
> Just FYI. It certainly looked well done inside and outside.
> Abid
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