...see that's what I thought and the reason I stopped flying was I could not fly enough to meet MY standards. When I was flying every week, even just Tough & Go, it was like driving the car, no thought about this or that just do it. After NOT flying for almost 2 months I was amazed how quickly I was covered with rust. I decided that if I couldn't fly 4-5 hrs a month I had to stop before I became a two paragraph story in the local paper. I prefer daytime flight,don't care for large airports and would be me and the wife 60% of the time and 100mph or so is just fine with me..so the LSA seemed the perfect way to go...hopefully still will be...thanks to you and the other guys for taking the time to give me some new thoughts about this...
Jim
From: apollonorthamerica <apollonorthamerica@yahoo.com>
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
Yes
Remember with a SP license you are not even technically required to talk on the radio as a basic SP is not expected to go into towered airports unless he receives controlled airspace endorsements. So that whole speak English thing isn't concerning communication with ATC.
You probably speak good enough English and of course you can read and write English as seen on this group.
Unless you plan to bs constantly going into towered airports as a Sport Pilot, you right now can go fly a champ during day time and you are set. You are technically already a SP if you decide to fly an aircraft that meets the definition if a LSA and fly it during the daytime only. Of course the prudent thing would be to take refresher and transition training into a lighter aircraft and get current with a flight review.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, UltraJohn <japrice@...> wrote:
>
> Plain and simple your examiner is WRONG!
> You did not fail a medical and it does not matter how long it is since you had
> your last! You can fly with a private license under the restrictions of an SP
> (no you are not a SP pilot, your still a Private pilot) pilot. All you need is
> a currency check-ride...
> John
>
>
> On Saturday 15 October 2011 01:26:03 pm Jim Shanahan wrote:
> > Ok, I NEVER failed or failed to complete ANY medical...I just stopped
> > flying for 20 years. The examiner in my area felt that the FAA regs
> > require you understand English and can speak it, my prior medical problem
> > has caused some speech limitations. According to him the FAA wants me to
> > pass a 3rd class medical ONCE and only once for a SP ticket. I would NOT
> > have to renew my medical to keep the SP current in the future. This is all
> > about speech PERIOD. My question was IF I have a valid 3rd class...why
> > would a SP be better than a private? If I go with the private I can fly
> > SA...According to my examiner the FAA wants the medical,I do not have a
> > choice if I want to fly anything. I have not formally applied for anything
> > yet, this is all oral so far. My thinking was it's better to have the
> > private as I have more choices BUT wanted some other opinions...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> >
> >
> >
> > More commonly when you say the FAA you are talking about one person that
> > you talked to. This one sounds like the FAA crash dummy. By their own
> > rules they can't require you to get a third class medical to fly as a
> > sport pilot.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/14/11, Jim Bair <jimbair@...> wrote:
> > >From: Jim Bair <jimbair@...>
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 6:42 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am not understanding this but maybe I missed something in the thread.
> > > Have you ever not passed a physical? Did you start one and then the doc
> > > couldn't issue it? Have you had a physical revoked? As far as I know,
> > > if the answers to all those questions are "No", then you can fly as a SP
> > > simply using a drivers license. I also don't understand exactly what you
> > > mean by SA. Sport Aircraft? If so, a Private Pilot can have many
> > > reasons for flying a LSA. Personal choice. Many guys owned Cubs,
> > > Taylorcrafts, and Champs before SP came along. (Me for one.) Why are
> > > you going to the FAA for a SP rating? Will they even do that? I thought
> > > they had turned all that over to DPEs. Something isn't making sense
> > > here. You may have opened a really unnecessary bucket of worms by asking
> > > the FAA a question that didn't need to be asked. This is why I always
> > > recommend talking to an examiner and letting him call the FAA for you and
> > > he can
> >
> > then say, "Hypothetically speaking, if I know this guy who......" I done
> > that for people.
> >
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >From: Jim Shanahan
> > >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:22 AM
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >
> > >...the FAA wants me to pass a 3rd class BEFORE any lic will be granted, SA
> > > or private. I was going for the SA to avoid the whole medical thing in
> > > the first place. I have no doubt about passing EXCEPT for the speech.
> > > What I'm kicking around is should I skip the SA and just do the check
> > > ride for private? It appears the FAA wants me to qualify,medically, for
> > > private before they will issue SA ! I will get the medical regardless, I
> > > was just asking IF you qualify for a private SEL w/a 3rd class medical,
> > > why would you fly SA? The planes are newer, nicer, slower, less
> > > passengers, cheaper(little) to rent and the older planes are known
> > > strength/weaknesses. I have not flown in years so I am planning on a lot
> > > of rust in flying and a lot of ground school time for either license.
> > > The FAA wants me to have a valid 3rd class medical before they will issue
> > > the SA. My local FAA examiner wanted FAA's opinion due to the speech,
> > > which BTW he understood as we spoke about
> >
> > this. So now the FAA is involved and wants the medical. OK, I have no
> > problem with that, well I do a bit but so what. The FAA said they only
> > want me to pass this time, no need to keep a valid medical with the SA
> > lic. They want a doc to say my speech is within the limits they set. The
> > examiner wants someone else to say my speech is ok. Thanks for all the
> > advise of my situation and misquoting dead people :).
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>________________________________
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Richard Williams <rkwill@...>
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:13 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bobs,
> > >
> > >You have never failed a 3rd class medical, so why take the risk now, after
> > > cancer?
> > >
> > >You know the FAA will make you jump through hoops for months and $$$ on
> > > end to get that 3rd class medical after cancer.
> > >
> > >You already meet all the requirements for going LSA.
> > >Most importantly, you already have your PPL, so no need for 20+ hours of
> > >training. Although I would strongly suggest that you get some
> > >training/transition time with an instructor in the LSA aircraft that you
> > > will be flying to get you back up to speed on flying and familiar with
> > > all the latest rules and regulations.
> > >
> > >R. Williams
> > >
> > >---------- Original Message -----------
> > >From: "Bobs" <mailto:jimshanahan707%40yahoo.com>
> > >To: mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:38:20 -0000
> > >Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >> Ok, I had my private SEL,VFR with a valid medical. Three kids,college,
> > >> life and no $$$, so I had to stop flying. Almost 20 yrs later and I
> > >> want to fly again. I am 1 yr from a cancer cure, 4 yrs of clean tests
> > >> from tongue cancer. The Cancer is all gone BUT left me with some
> > >> speech limitations, so I am thinking LSA. The FAA wants me to pass a
> > >> 3rd class medical 1 time, and a LSA lic is no problem with NO future
> > >> medicals needed. SO, if I can get a 3rd class medical, why would I
> > >> want the LSA rating?. I can buy a super clean used Piper 180 for half
> > >> the cost of a new LSA.
> >
> > The rentals of LSAs are $5 @ hr less than a 172
> >
> > >> !. I will take the medical, hopefully pass, but then should I go LSA
> > >> of just my private? Would like some opinions as I just keep going
> > >> round and round in my own mind...thanks Bob
> > >
> > >------- End of Original Message -------
> >
>
Remember with a SP license you are not even technically required to talk on the radio as a basic SP is not expected to go into towered airports unless he receives controlled airspace endorsements. So that whole speak English thing isn't concerning communication with ATC.
You probably speak good enough English and of course you can read and write English as seen on this group.
Unless you plan to bs constantly going into towered airports as a Sport Pilot, you right now can go fly a champ during day time and you are set. You are technically already a SP if you decide to fly an aircraft that meets the definition if a LSA and fly it during the daytime only. Of course the prudent thing would be to take refresher and transition training into a lighter aircraft and get current with a flight review.
Abid
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, UltraJohn <japrice@...> wrote:
>
> Plain and simple your examiner is WRONG!
> You did not fail a medical and it does not matter how long it is since you had
> your last! You can fly with a private license under the restrictions of an SP
> (no you are not a SP pilot, your still a Private pilot) pilot. All you need is
> a currency check-ride...
> John
>
>
> On Saturday 15 October 2011 01:26:03 pm Jim Shanahan wrote:
> > Ok, I NEVER failed or failed to complete ANY medical...I just stopped
> > flying for 20 years. The examiner in my area felt that the FAA regs
> > require you understand English and can speak it, my prior medical problem
> > has caused some speech limitations. According to him the FAA wants me to
> > pass a 3rd class medical ONCE and only once for a SP ticket. I would NOT
> > have to renew my medical to keep the SP current in the future. This is all
> > about speech PERIOD. My question was IF I have a valid 3rd class...why
> > would a SP be better than a private? If I go with the private I can fly
> > SA...According to my examiner the FAA wants the medical,I do not have a
> > choice if I want to fly anything. I have not formally applied for anything
> > yet, this is all oral so far. My thinking was it's better to have the
> > private as I have more choices BUT wanted some other opinions...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Roger Poyner <rogpoyn@...>
> > To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> >
> >
> >
> > More commonly when you say the FAA you are talking about one person that
> > you talked to. This one sounds like the FAA crash dummy. By their own
> > rules they can't require you to get a third class medical to fly as a
> > sport pilot.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/14/11, Jim Bair <jimbair@...> wrote:
> > >From: Jim Bair <jimbair@...>
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 6:42 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am not understanding this but maybe I missed something in the thread.
> > > Have you ever not passed a physical? Did you start one and then the doc
> > > couldn't issue it? Have you had a physical revoked? As far as I know,
> > > if the answers to all those questions are "No", then you can fly as a SP
> > > simply using a drivers license. I also don't understand exactly what you
> > > mean by SA. Sport Aircraft? If so, a Private Pilot can have many
> > > reasons for flying a LSA. Personal choice. Many guys owned Cubs,
> > > Taylorcrafts, and Champs before SP came along. (Me for one.) Why are
> > > you going to the FAA for a SP rating? Will they even do that? I thought
> > > they had turned all that over to DPEs. Something isn't making sense
> > > here. You may have opened a really unnecessary bucket of worms by asking
> > > the FAA a question that didn't need to be asked. This is why I always
> > > recommend talking to an examiner and letting him call the FAA for you and
> > > he can
> >
> > then say, "Hypothetically speaking, if I know this guy who......" I done
> > that for people.
> >
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >From: Jim Shanahan
> > >Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:22 AM
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >
> > >...the FAA wants me to pass a 3rd class BEFORE any lic will be granted, SA
> > > or private. I was going for the SA to avoid the whole medical thing in
> > > the first place. I have no doubt about passing EXCEPT for the speech.
> > > What I'm kicking around is should I skip the SA and just do the check
> > > ride for private? It appears the FAA wants me to qualify,medically, for
> > > private before they will issue SA ! I will get the medical regardless, I
> > > was just asking IF you qualify for a private SEL w/a 3rd class medical,
> > > why would you fly SA? The planes are newer, nicer, slower, less
> > > passengers, cheaper(little) to rent and the older planes are known
> > > strength/weaknesses. I have not flown in years so I am planning on a lot
> > > of rust in flying and a lot of ground school time for either license.
> > > The FAA wants me to have a valid 3rd class medical before they will issue
> > > the SA. My local FAA examiner wanted FAA's opinion due to the speech,
> > > which BTW he understood as we spoke about
> >
> > this. So now the FAA is involved and wants the medical. OK, I have no
> > problem with that, well I do a bit but so what. The FAA said they only
> > want me to pass this time, no need to keep a valid medical with the SA
> > lic. They want a doc to say my speech is within the limits they set. The
> > examiner wants someone else to say my speech is ok. Thanks for all the
> > advise of my situation and misquoting dead people :).
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>________________________________
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > > From: Richard Williams <rkwill@...>
> > >To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:13 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Bobs,
> > >
> > >You have never failed a 3rd class medical, so why take the risk now, after
> > > cancer?
> > >
> > >You know the FAA will make you jump through hoops for months and $$$ on
> > > end to get that 3rd class medical after cancer.
> > >
> > >You already meet all the requirements for going LSA.
> > >Most importantly, you already have your PPL, so no need for 20+ hours of
> > >training. Although I would strongly suggest that you get some
> > >training/transition time with an instructor in the LSA aircraft that you
> > > will be flying to get you back up to speed on flying and familiar with
> > > all the latest rules and regulations.
> > >
> > >R. Williams
> > >
> > >---------- Original Message -----------
> > >From: "Bobs" <mailto:jimshanahan707%40yahoo.com>
> > >To: mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com
> > >Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:38:20 -0000
> > >Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group 3rd Class medical
> > >
> > >> Ok, I had my private SEL,VFR with a valid medical. Three kids,college,
> > >> life and no $$$, so I had to stop flying. Almost 20 yrs later and I
> > >> want to fly again. I am 1 yr from a cancer cure, 4 yrs of clean tests
> > >> from tongue cancer. The Cancer is all gone BUT left me with some
> > >> speech limitations, so I am thinking LSA. The FAA wants me to pass a
> > >> 3rd class medical 1 time, and a LSA lic is no problem with NO future
> > >> medicals needed. SO, if I can get a 3rd class medical, why would I
> > >> want the LSA rating?. I can buy a super clean used Piper 180 for half
> > >> the cost of a new LSA.
> >
> > The rentals of LSAs are $5 @ hr less than a 172
> >
> > >> !. I will take the medical, hopefully pass, but then should I go LSA
> > >> of just my private? Would like some opinions as I just keep going
> > >> round and round in my own mind...thanks Bob
> > >
> > >------- End of Original Message -------
> >
>
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