As to abuse in flight schools. Students, and experienced pilots who rent, will fly hard. This is why the school and instructors must have high standards and train their customers of what is expected. I often turn down renters (I.E. 'big time' jet pilots) because they (some) do not want to conform to our LSA rules of operation (light winds, 45 day currency in type, debugging post flight). A $ 20 profit is not worth the hassle with some 'bad' customers.
On the other hand, it feels good to see a poor pilot come and rent for an hour and treat the airplane like he owns it. Gently.
Scott
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, "apollonorthamerica" <apollonorthamerica@...> wrote:
>
> Helen,
> ELSA kit built aircraft are essentially ASTM compliant to the exact same design standard. Please don't mix in grandfathered E-LSA (UL trainers before) or Exp-AB 51% kits in here. I am talking about aircraft almost completely or mostly factory built, the owner simply has to do 1% or more of the work using a kit assembly manual supplied by the manufacturer. An E-LSA at the time of initial airworthiness is a copy of the S-LSA counterpart.
> Smart owners will make none to few modifications and keep up with the maintenance required. Those E-LSA's will be just fine safety wise.
>
> As for putting your airplane back for leaseback at flight schools ... well sure flight schools as I mentioned have to restrict their search to S-LSA only. But a vast majority of S-LSA owners are simply private flyers right now and that is the way it will remain for the foreseeable future. Its those owners that I think have not completely thought through the whole process yet. But they can still demote their airplanes to E-LSA with another airworthiness application and soon there will be clarification where a S-LSA demoted to E-LSA can be maintained just like kit E-LSA aircraft.
> Hope that helps clarify what I was saying.
> Abid
>
> --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com, Helen Woods <Helen_Woods@> wrote:
> >
> > Gary, that is a broad statement that certainly is not true of many if
> > not most SLSAs. For example, one of my graduates just bought a Tecnam
> > Eaglet. The Eaglet mx manual allows him as a sport pilot to do and sign
> > off on ALL of the mx described in appendix A of part 43. Amongst a long
> > list of items he can change the tires, the light bulbs, the battery, and
> > after taking Rotax class, he can change the oil as well. Additionally,
> > part 43 allows you to do any and all mx on your plane (without Rotax or
> > LSA classes), SLSA or not, if you are doing so under the supervision of
> > a person who holds the appropriate rating (and went to Rotax school). I
> > know my graduate plans on doing the condition inspections on his plane
> > by working side-by-side with our excellent Rotax certified IA. Owner
> > assisted mx very common in the certified world and holds true for the
> > light sport world as well.
> >
> > As for your statement about the Rotax engine being in a league of its
> > own, I 100% agree with you on that one. I know of no other engine as
> > reliable and cost effective as the Rotax 9 series. No top overhaul or
> > mag overhaul at the mid point like your O200s requires, sips car gas
> > including that with 10% ethanol, runs on motorcycle oil and car spark
> > plugs so cheap that you just pitch them and replace them at the 100 hour
> > mark. 2000 hour TBO and just keeps going and going like the Energizer
> > Bunny. Oh, and 100 pound lighter than just about everything else.
> > Definitely a league of its own!
> >
> > Abid, with an SLSA you can purchase a plane that you know was held to a
> > high quality standard to receive certification. (ASTM is certifying
> > such things as nuclear reactors when they aren't certifying SLSAs.)
> > With an SLSA you know you will be getting a plane that an insurance
> > company will fully insure at a reasonable rate. With an SLSA you are
> > buying a plane that you know will hold its resale value. With an SLSA
> > you are buying a plane that you or a potential buyer can put on
> > leaseback at a flight school to make ownership a profitable matter
> > rather than the proverbial "hole in the sky into which one pours money."
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Gary Orpe wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > When someone speaks of buy an SLSA I assume they know they are not to
> > > touch it and someone else will have to do the work on it. A few things
> > > are allowed on some aircraft by the manufacture, who regulates these
> > > things, not the FAA directly, and the Rotax engine is in a league of
> > > its own no matter who installed it.
> > >
> > > Not true in case of your Sonex, you can, or any A&P can do what ever
> > > you want to do with it, and still be legal. Such is especially not
> > > possible with the airframe or the Rotax engine of any SLSA.
> > >
> > > Hey if I am wrong on this, please let me know. Heck, I know you will.
> > >
> > > Something to consider before you lay out the cash for one. For about
> > > 70% out there this won't be a problem I would guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary Orpe
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > *From:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *daleandee
> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:14 PM
> > > *To:* Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: SportCruiser
> > > flight this weekend
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I really like the look of the SportCruiser. If it was in the budget
> > > and flew as well as reported, it would probably be in the hangar. I
> > > looked at one extensively at the Lumberton, NC air-show one year. They
> > > offered a ride but I declined as I knew I couldn't afford it and
> > > didn't
> > > want to tie the guys up on a non-sale.
> > >
> > > For now I'll continue to fly my Sonex. It is a blast to fly and has a
> > > lot of good things going for it but it certainly doesn't have that
> > > cockpit room of the SportCruiser.
> > >
> > > Dale
> > > N28YD
> > >
> > > --- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Sport_Aircraft%40yahoogroups.com>, Eric Goforth
> > > <egoforth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This Saturday the wife and I flew the SportCruiser around for the
> > > > day. What an absolute kick in the pants. Fast, easy and has all of
> > > > the goodies a GA pilot like myself could want in a small cruiser for
> > > > the wife and I. We are seriously considering picking one up.<SNIP>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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