That's good to hear about Rans. I had heard that they; like the 'Wiz' of 'Oz' got 'blown out of Kansas'. The plane I saw at Sebring a year or two ago was very nice looking - and well equipped. And seemed actually priced a little lower than a lot of the imports. Was that because it was a kit (?) Even if it was- EAA'ers are all about building. So, that may be an American Way To Go. Works for CGS Hawk and Challenger people.
I didn't see Challenger there. But, some companies hadn't showed up yet. (Next year, I'm going on Fri or Sat.) Some dealers also pull out a day early.
But, Steve was there - with a great looking CGS Hawk! Good to see both again. (I still think - I deserve to be on Charlie's 'first 100' poster)
My first UL ride was in a CGS single place - with no brakes - and some cross- wind issues. I stillhave the pictures my wife took - of Charlie checking me out in it. And then standing nearby - as I took off and landed.
It was the 'bird' that had the clear lexan panel in the floor. What a blast - watching the ground fall away - and then coming back up on approach! My wife took some great pictures of Chuck and I there. (When we were both slim and trim.) I sent them to Dennis Demeter. The plane (and us) looked good then. (The plane still does.)
Oh, back to my main reason for this posting: I have some used Challenger parts for sale. Or swap. Does any know where I can find info on that small electric flap actuator!? I'd like to try one on my CHII. And maybe a set of wheel pants that will fit over the larger hydraulic brakes I'm putting on my CHII? Pictures of what I presently have are on my website.
I'm also redoing my website: www.navalairestates.com. That should be completed sometime this coming week. With the economy being what it is, I'm down sizing that Children's Aviation Center / Alternative Energies Center project.
Bob McDonagh - in Sunny SW. Florida
----- Original Message -----Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:12 AMSubject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Digest Number 2249Messages In This Digest (5 Messages)
- 1a.
- Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline From: bob mcdonagh
- 1b.
- Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline From: Helen Woods
- 1c.
- Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline From: Lyle Cox
- 1d.
- Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline From: Rick Pitcher
- 1e.
- Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline From: daleandee
Messages
- 1a.
Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
Posted by: "bob mcdonagh" airpark@embarqmail.com rdmcdonagh
Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:05 am (PST)
This is In response to a Sport Aircraft enquiry, posted on the internet. I'm also including the Challenger Group in this reply.
And it is also aimed at the recent decision by Publix - to import part-time workers - rather than let existing American Citizens work an extra day a week - as many would like to do. Or hire a few unemployed or under employed Americans - to help America.
Publix decision is a bad one. I will buy less there. And maybe go on a health diet. I hope others do the same.
Back to the EXPO at Sebring. I did see the Piper LSA @ Sebring, yesterday. Nice low wing plane. Made outside the U.S. Just as Cessna's is.
At one point, I thought the LSA idea would be good thing. Turns out, it is another bad idea; as far as our Country's economic well being is concerned. Cessna = China. Piper: Western Europe. Rans?
There are only a few Light Sport Products made in the U.S. Quad City's Challenger and CGS Hawk are two good products. And priced 10s of thousands of dollar - below those foreign made products.
Yes, they are nice planes. But, not what Light Sport was intended to be: affordable entry level flying.
And it's another 'nail in the coffin' of America's economy. We have people in this Country, born in this Country - living below the poverty line. Yet, we find money to help others - that cannot control their population - and educate their people. Yet, our leaders follow the 'knee jerk' philosophy of printing more money - and trying to solve everyone else problems. I am stopping shopping at the Publx across the street - and going to another store down the street - that does not import part-time workers. One that helps Americans that helped build this Country. Not those that will take the money they earn and ship it out of our Country
History shows this cannot be done. Past civilizations have tried to hide this from their people - with such things as Gladiators and Coliseums to display such events.
We now do it with movies and professional sports. The Greeks, the Romans, all past great societies that tried to be world leaders - all failed and fell on hard times.
Let's go back to 'Made in America'! And let's buy our products first. Everyone of those foreign products are much more than Sport Plane and Pilot was intended to be. Even our Piper Cub and taylorcraft type aircraft - are aimed at the upper middle class - that is down sizing from 4-6 place aircraft and light twins. But, they do not help the working people of America - either with jobs - or affordable flying machines. I'll stick with my used $12,000 Challenger. They've been making it affordable (and in America) for over 35 years. CGS Hawk has too.
I was 'Made in America' 75 years ago. I'll buy 'Made in America' aircraft as long as I can.
If you note, some American Classic Air Planes - were made ineligible for the LSA. Ercoupes, Piper Cubs, Cessna 150 and 152.s should have be exempted into the class. Once again, we allowed our selves to be shot in the foot - as far as what are good LS aircraft - and what is good for America - and for world-wide aviation in general
Bob McDonagh www.navalairestates.com - 1b.
Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
Posted by: "Helen Woods" Helen_Woods@verizon.net hwoods4421
Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:41 am (PST)
We had a Sport Cruiser on the line for a while. The useful load
with a standard 6 pack, night lights, and basic radios was 525.
The step is in the rear and people who weighed more than 260lbs
would tip the plane over trying to get in. That being said, it
was a very popular plane. The looks lines are very good and
Piper will likely sell many as a personal aircraft. The handling
was very light, crosswind and turbulence ability low, and not
what I would prefer for training. It also seriously leaked if
you flew it through rain. Not so much issues for someone with
time under their belt looking for a fair weather flying personal
plane. I always thought they would do well if they had a better
company running them, which it looks like they now have. Since
virtually no one has flown the 162 we'll have to wait and see how
the handling compares with the Cessna. Perhaps one will prove to
be a better trainer and one a better personal plane? I certainly
prefer the heaviler handling, and better ability to handle
crosswinds and turbulence of a Tecnam over the Sport Cruiser for
training though. Helen
Jan 21, 2010 04:40:16 PM, Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. wrote:com
Hello
Piper is selling a name along with backup in the long term
Its real competition is Cessna The Piper has the useful load to
offer fat versions at a premium Leather anyone?
THety also have a made in Europe (not in China) like BMW Mercedes
sticker
Peter
--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Richard Williams wrote:
From: Richard Williams
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Story from EAA's
E-Hotline
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 8:59 AM
Gary,
It is good to hear that Piper is still in the game of aviation.
but, will they be able to make it work?
Some 120k to 140k for a 'PiperSport' is really stretching the
dollar that's still in my pocket after the downturn in the
economy in the U.S.A. {:-(
Oops, I should not have mentioned I still have a dollar, someone
will be sure to try and move it from my pocket to theirs. {:-)
R. Williams
---------- Original Message -----------
From: "Gary Orpe"
To:
Sent: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:29 -0800
Subject: RE: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Story from EAA's
E-Hotline
>
>
>
> Piper is going to do it for sure now. That should answer the
question about the Sportcurser. It will be called the PiperSport
instead. There will be three models; the basic PiperSport
($119,900), training-oriented LT ($129,900) and decked out LTD
($139,900).
>
> Anyone going to the show in Florida? To far for me and hard to
focus on that right now.....
>
> On another subject there is a light out there somewhere in the
world, we just keep looking we will find it...
>
> Gary O.
> "Mitfield"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sport_Aircraft@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Sport_ Aircraft@
yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gary Orpe
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:39 PM
> To: Sport Aircraft Group
> Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Story from EAA's
E-Hotline
>
>
>
> More on the SPORTCRUISER from EAA
>
> ""
> PIPER MAY ACQUIRE MAKER OF SPORTCRUISER S-LSA
> Piper Aircraft may soon enter the light-sport aircraft (LSA)
market if
> various media reports and chatter on Internet message boards
are true.
> FlightGlobal. com was the first to relay reports from a Czech
business daily
> newspaper that reported Piper had signed a $30 million deal to
acquire Czech
> Aircraft Works, which makes the SportCruiser S-LSA. Piper's
possible move to
> acquire the bankrupt aircraft maker would be in line with the
new direction
> Piper signaled last May when it was acquired by the
Singapore-based
> investment firm Imprimus.
>- 1c.
Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
Posted by: "Lyle Cox" LyleCox@funaerosports.com hanginoutinhotels
Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:28 am (PST)
Sorry, but I have to defend Rans. It's made in Kansas.
From: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. [mailto:Sport_Aircraft@com yahoogroups. ]com
On Behalf Of bob mcdonagh
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:06 AM
To: Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. ; FlyChallenger@com yahoogroups. ;com
debmcdoodles@yahoo.com ; shelly ann McDonagh; mailbag@news-press.com
Cc: bob mcdonagh
Subject: Light-Sport Aircraft Yahoo group Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
This is In response to a Sport Aircraft enquiry, posted on the internet.
I'm also including the Challenger Group in this reply.
And it is also aimed at the recent decision by Publix - to import part-time
workers - rather than let existing American Citizens work an extra day a
week - as many would like to do. Or hire a few unemployed or under employed
Americans - to help America.
Publix decision is a bad one. I will buy less there. And maybe go on a
health diet. I hope others do the same.
Back to the EXPO at Sebring. I did see the Piper LSA @ Sebring, yesterday.
Nice low wing plane. Made outside the U.S. Just as Cessna's is.
At one point, I thought the LSA idea would be good thing. Turns out, it is
another bad idea; as far as our Country's economic well being is concerned.
Cessna = China. Piper: Western Europe. Rans?
There are only a few Light Sport Products made in the U.S. Quad City's
Challenger and CGS Hawk are two good products. And priced 10s of thousands
of dollar - below those foreign made products.
Yes, they are nice planes. But, not what Light Sport was intended to be:
affordable entry level flying.
And it's another 'nail in the coffin' of America's economy. We have people
in this Country, born in this Country - living below the poverty line. Yet,
we find money to help others - that cannot control their population - and
educate their people. Yet, our leaders follow the 'knee jerk' philosophy of
printing more money - and trying to solve everyone else problems. I am
stopping shopping at the Publx across the street - and going to another
store down the street - that does not import part-time workers. One that
helps Americans that helped build this Country. Not those that will take
the money they earn and ship it out of our Country
History shows this cannot be done. Past civilizations have tried to hide
this from their people - with such things as Gladiators and Coliseums to
display such events.
We now do it with movies and professional sports. The Greeks, the Romans,
all past great societies that tried to be world leaders - all failed and
fell on hard times.
Let's go back to 'Made in America'! And let's buy our products first.
Everyone of those foreign products are much more than Sport Plane and Pilot
was intended to be. Even our Piper Cub and taylorcraft type aircraft - are
aimed at the upper middle class - that is down sizing from 4-6 place
aircraft and light twins. But, they do not help the working people of
America - either with jobs - or affordable flying machines. I'll stick with
my used $12,000 Challenger. They've been making it affordable (and in
America) for over 35 years. CGS Hawk has too.
I was 'Made in America' 75 years ago. I'll buy 'Made in America' aircraft
as long as I can.
If you note, some American Classic Air Planes - were made ineligible for
the LSA. Ercoupes, Piper Cubs, Cessna 150 and 152.s should have be exempted
into the class. Once again, we allowed our selves to be shot in the foot -
as far as what are good LS aircraft - and what is good for America - and for
world-wide aviation in general
Bob McDonagh <http://www.navalairestates.com > www.navalairestates.com - 1d.
Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
Posted by: "Rick Pitcher" lightflyer@adelphia.net rickpitcher
Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:45 am (PST)
Bob, the only one of these planes that you mentioned that was certified a SLSA is the CGS Hawk. Quad City decided not to persue the SLSA market and is still selling experimental airplanes. At least they aren't pretending to be ultralights anymoer ;)
But if you really want an "affordable entry level" airplane then please go to the CGS website and order one of thier SLSA Hawks for one-third the cost of the Piper or Cessna or Tecnam that we've seen talked about here. http://www.cgsaviation.com/
Made in America by American workers, but using an Austrian engine (that's OK, isn't it?)
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: bob mcdonagh
There are only a few Light Sport Products made in the U.S. Quad City's Challenger and CGS Hawk are two good products. And priced 10s of thousands of dollar - below those foreign made products.
Yes, they are nice planes. But, not what Light Sport was intended to be: affordable entry level flying.- 1e.
Re: Story from EAA's E-Hotline
Posted by: "daleandee" daleandee@yahoo.com daleandee
Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:42 pm (PST)
2SI, a local company here in Carolina, was making aircraft engines but
quickly got out of that part of the business a few years ago after a
lawsuit put a wrench in the gearbox.
If we want our country to be productive again we have to get the
lawyers out of the way of business. I understand that a fair
compensation is needed for real cases of neglect but things are way
out of hand anymore.
It would also help to get the tax and spend government off the backs
of small business owners. Still, it's hard to compete with that cheap
sweat shop labor ...
My $00.02 and worth what it costs you!
Dale
--- In Sport_Aircraft@yahoogroups. , "Rick Pitcher" <lightflyer@com ...> wrote:
> Made in America by American workers, but using an Austrian engine
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